[APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications

[Alan Greenberg]

Satish, I strongly agree on all counts.  Alan
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On December 3, 2017 1:55:34 AM EST, Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com> wrote:
>There are several considerations that we have to be mindful of,
>*vis-a-vis*
>individual members, particularly after the recent At-Large Review:
>
>1. RALOs should encourage individual members to participate in policy
>processes in RALOs and At-Large.
>
>2. For this, we need to ensure that individuals have low entry barriers
>(ie., a light-weight admission process) compared to ALSes
>
>3. The current admission process for individual members ("Trust" and
>not
>"Trust-but-verify") is based on keeping entry barriers low, but also
>because we often have no other means of verification
>
>4. The current rules on not admitting existing ALS members as
>individual
>members to APRALO is based on the potential to weaken ALSes. It's
>perhaps
>time that these rules are reviewed at both ALAC and RALO
>levels...however,
>this is not a decision to be taken lightly.
>
>We are in the early phase of inducting individual members. We have to
>learn
>as we go and fine-tune our rules.
>
>
>
>
>
>satish
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Alan Greenberg
><alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>wrote:
>
>> All good questions.
>>
>> I can even add another. Is there any harm in a person becoming an
>> individual member who is a member of an ALS, but is not active in
>that
>> ALS's activities with respect to being an ALS. That situation could
>have
>> applied to me - I was an individual member, but was also historically
>a
>> member of an ISOC Chapter, but only because I had ticked off a box on
>a web
>> form, not because I was active in it in any way. Would there have
>been any
>> harm in my continuing to be a "member" of that ALS?
>>
>> Ultimately, these are issues that either all RALOs must address, or
>> perhaps we will come up with a uniform cross-RALO criteria. An
>important
>> thing to keep in mind is that the overall target is to get people
>active in
>> ICANN processes.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 03/12/2017 01:30 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>
>> But should we get individual members to sign a piece of paper that
>says
>> that they officially do not belong to an ALS?
>>
>> This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to confirm acceptable
>> criteria for registration of our ALSes (and any individual members
>who
>> belong to it and want to join in our discussions), as well as those
>who are
>> individual members not affiliated to any organisation.
>>
>> I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi representative of our
>individual
>> members - due to her own personal interest in the work of ICANN,
>Justine
>> was already an active member of a couple of working groups before she
>> became a formal individual member of APRALO. She was a known entity
>and we
>> have welcomed her participation in our discussions as a regional
>> participant in the same way as we accept the inputs of the individual
>> members who represent  the interests of their ALSes. In past
>discussions,
>> APRALO raised the point that individual members should already be
>actively
>> engaged before we register them. There has been poor commitment by
>some of
>> the individual members we currently have on our list  How do we
>deregister
>> them?
>>
>> I can appreciate that sometimes people may not be able to participate
>in
>> an organisation that meets face to face normally at a time and place
>that
>> is not convenient for everyone... and this was the reason we
>encouraged
>> individual members. But leaving an ALS to become an individual member
>does
>> not make sense to me.
>>
>> M
>> .
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Alan Greenberg
><alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>> > wrote:
>> One has to put these things in perspective and to examine the effort
>> involved vs the benefits and risks.
>>
>> Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors are subject to strict
>> conflict of interest rules because it is important that they not have
>a
>> personal interest when making decisions on behalf of ICANN. But all
>we ask
>> is that they sign a piece of paper affirming what their conflicts are
>(if
>> any) and assuring that should one arise, they will act properly.
>>
>> In the case of individual members, one has to look at the risks of
>> accepting people's word, the harm it would cause, and now much it
>would
>> cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>
>> Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This is really opening up
>a
>> can of worms.   have to take people's word on TRUST.
>>
>> It has already been intimated that we might need to get the
>membership
>> lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately
>NOT
>> members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of
>PICISOC
>> or any ISOC In India.
>>
>> Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own
>behalf
>> rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single
>person
>> compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do
>outreach
>> so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses?
>> ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about
>the
>> significant news from ICANN
>> ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual
>Internet
>> users
>> ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda,
>news
>> about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN
>policy-development
>> process
>> ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education
>programs,
>> regarding ICANN and its work
>> ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and its
>> decisions and their (potential)regional impact and (potential) effect
>on
>> individuals in the region;
>> I started to make mention of the fact that we could have to ask
>people who
>> have disagreements with their ALS managements and leave, that they
>may have
>> to bring along a letter saying that they are no longer members. But
>what a
>> hassle.
>> But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss with an
>volunteers
>> of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations
>and
>> metrics.
>> Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff to create a
>wiki
>> space for us.
>> Maureen
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard <
>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote: This is really opening up a can of
>> worms.   have to take people's word on TRUST.
>> It has already been intimated that we might need to get the
>membership
>> lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately
>NOT
>> members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of
>PICISOC
>> or any ISOC In India.
>> Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own
>behalf
>> rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single
>person
>> compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do
>outreach
>> so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws
>of
>> ALses? ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed
>> about the significant news from ICANN ØPromoting outreach
>activities in
>> the community of individual Internet users ØDistributing (through
>> posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news about ICANN, and
>information
>> about items in the ICANN policy-development process ØDeveloping and
>> maintaining on-going information and education programs, regarding
>ICANN
>> and its work
>>
>>
>>   but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an
>> organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they
>are not
>> longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com> wrote:
>Thanks
>> Rajnesh.
>> The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have
>been
>> finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is
>not
>> always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a
>> person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or
>providing
>> an example.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> satish   On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <
>> rajnesh.singh at gmail.com > wrote: So I wonder out loud what is the
>process
>> to ensure that an individual applicant is not already a member via an
>ALS? This
>> could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS̢۪ - like e I
>do
>> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>>
>> Raj
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Afifa
>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
>> individual member? He should already be involved.
>>
>> M :)
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas
><afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com >
>> wrote: Hi All,
>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached
>out to
>> me for an outreach. I totally support their application. Regards,
>Afifa
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani *
><pavan at namesphere.asia>
>> wrote: Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a
>N/A,
>> please help get that information
>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes    Institutional members? N/A
>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>their
>> membership are individuals? (10) in Board of Trustees
>> (3) Audit Committee
>> (5) in Board of Directors
>> (35) other membersâ€
>>
>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>
>> N/A
>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
>> Thanks so much!
>> Pavan
>>
>>
>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>>
>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? * What is
>size
>> of their membership at this time? What proportion of their membership
>are
>> individuals? * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>
>>
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