[APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications

Sun Dec 3 06:30:13 UTC 2017

But should we get individual members to sign a piece of paper that says
that they officially do not belong to an ALS?

This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to confirm acceptable criteria
for registration of our ALSes (and any individual members who belong to it
and want to join in our discussions), as well as those who are individual
members not affiliated to any organisation.

I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi representative of our individual
members - due to her own personal interest in the work of ICANN, Justine
was already an active member of a couple of working groups before she
became a formal individual member of APRALO. She was a known entity and we
have welcomed her participation in our discussions as a regional
participant in the same way as we accept the inputs of the individual
members who represent  the interests of their ALSes. In past discussions,
APRALO raised the point that individual members should already be actively
engaged before we register them. There has been poor commitment by some of
the individual members we currently have on our list  How do we deregister
them?

I can appreciate that sometimes people may not be able to participate in an
organisation that meets face to face normally at a time and place that is
not convenient for everyone... and this was the reason we encouraged
individual members. But leaving an ALS to become an individual member does
not make sense to me.

M
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On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
wrote:

> One has to put these things in perspective and to examine the effort
> involved vs the benefits and risks.
>
> Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors are subject to strict
> conflict of interest rules because it is important that they not have a
> personal interest when making decisions on behalf of ICANN. But all we ask
> is that they sign a piece of paper affirming what their conflicts are (if
> any) and assuring that should one arise, they will act properly.
>
> In the case of individual members, one has to look at the risks of
> accepting people's word, the harm it would cause, and now much it would
> cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>
> Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This is really opening up a
> can of worms.   have to take people's word on TRUST.
>
> It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
> lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
> members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
> or any ISOC In India.
>
> Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
> rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
> compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
> so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses?
> Ã˜Keeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
> significant news from ICANN
> Ã˜Promoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet
> users
> Ã˜Distributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news
> about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development
> process
> Ã˜Developing and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
> regarding ICANN and its work
> Ã˜Making public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and its
> decisions and their (potential)regional impact and (potential) effect on
> individuals in the region;
> I started to make mention of the fact that we could have to ask people who
> have disagreements with their ALS managements and leave, that they may have
> to bring along a letter saying that they are no longer members. But what a
> hassle.
> But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss with an volunteers
> of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and
> metrics.
> Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff to create a wiki
> space for us.
> Maureen
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard <
> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is really opening up a can of worms.   have to take people's word on
> TRUST.
>
> It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
> lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
> members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
> or any ISOC In India.
>
> Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
> rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
> compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
> so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of
> ALses?
>
> Ã˜Keeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
> significant news from ICANN
> Ã˜Promoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet
> users
> Ã˜Distributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news
> about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development
> process
> Ã˜Developing and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
> regarding ICANN and its work
>
>
>
>   but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an
> organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they are not
> longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com> wrote:
> Thanks Rajnesh.
>
> The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have been
> finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is not
> always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a
> person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing
> an example.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> satish
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh at gmail.com >
> wrote:
> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
> applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALSâ€™ - like I do
> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>
> Raj
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Afifa
>
> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
> individual member? He should already be involved.
>
> M :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com >
> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out to
> me for an outreach.
> I totally support their application.
> Regards,
> Afifa
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <pavan at namesphere.asia>
> wrote:
> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A, please
> help get that information
>
> * Do they allow individual members?Yes
>    Institutional members? N/A
>
> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of their
> membership are individuals?
> (10) in Board of Trustees
>
> (3) Audit Committee
>
> (5) in Board of Directors
>
> (35) other membersâ€
>
>
> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>
> N/A
>
> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Pavan
>
>
>
> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>
> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of their
> membership are individuals?
> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>
>
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