[APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications

Alan Greenberg alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Sun Dec 3 05:38:47 UTC 2017 

One has to put these things in perspective and to 
examine the effort involved vs the benefits and risks.

Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors 
are subject to strict conflict of interest rules 
because it is important that they not have a 
personal interest when making decisions on behalf 
of ICANN. But all we ask is that they sign a 
piece of paper affirming what their conflicts are 
(if any) and assuring that should one arise, they will act properly.

In the case of individual members, one has to 
look at the risks of accepting people's word, the 
harm it would cause, and now much it would 
cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits.

Alan




At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:

>Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This 
>is really opening up a can of worms.   have to take people's word on TRUST.
>
>It has already been intimated that we might need 
>to get the membership lists of all our ALSes to 
>check on whether people are legitimately NOT 
>members - I can just imagine trying to keep 
>track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.
>
>Becoming an individual member to be able to 
>contribute on your own behalf rather than a 
>group's view is legitimate, but how does a 
>single person compete against a chartered 
>organisation for regional funds to do outreach 
>so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses?
>ØKeeping the community of individual Internet 
>users informed about the significant news from ICANN
>ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users
>ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an 
>updated agenda, news about ICANN, and 
>information about items in the ICANN policy-development process
>ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going 
>information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work
>ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed 
>policies and its decisions and their 
>(potential)regional impact and (potential) 
>effect on individuals in the region;
>I started to make mention of the fact that we 
>could have to ask people who have disagreements 
>with their ALS managements and leave, that they 
>may have to bring along a letter saying that 
>they are no longer members. But what a hassle.
>But it is one of the thngs that I would like to 
>discuss with an volunteers of a group of APRALO 
>members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and metrics.
>Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will 
>get staff to create a wiki space for us.
>Maureen
>
>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard 
><<mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>This is really opening up a can of worms.   have 
>to take people's word on TRUST.
>
>It has already been intimated that we might need 
>to get the membership lists of all our ALSes to 
>check on whether people are legitimately NOT 
>members - I can just imagine trying to keep 
>track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.
>
>Becoming an individual member to be able to 
>contribute on your own behalf rather than a 
>group's view is legitimate, but how does a 
>single person compete against a chartered 
>organisation for regional funds to do outreach 
>so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of ALses?
>
>ØKeeping the community of individual Internet 
>users informed about the significant news from ICANN
>ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users
>ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an 
>updated agenda, news about ICANN, and 
>information about items in the ICANN policy-development process
>ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going 
>information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work
>
>
>
>   but we also have to be mindful, that if 
> former ALS members leave an organisation, they 
> may require a formal letter indicating that 
> they are not longer a member as part of the 
> RALO application process. This will
>
>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu 
><<mailto:sb at inapp.com>sb at inapp.com> wrote:
>Thanks Rajnesh.
>
>The current mechanism is a self-declaration by 
>the applicant. We have been finding that this 
>doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it 
>is not always easy to keep track of the 
>affiliations of organizations that a person is a 
>member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing an example.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>satish
>
>
>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh 
><<mailto:rajnesh.singh at gmail.com>rajnesh.singh at gmail.com> wrote:
>So I wonder out loud what is the process to 
>ensure that an individual applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
>This could get messy as one could belong to one 
>of many ALS’ - like I do for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>
>Raj
>
>
>On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard 
><<mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Afifa
>
>If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata 
>then he cannot be an individual member? He should already be involved.
>
>M :)
>
>On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas 
><<mailto:afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com>afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very 
>passionate. He reached out to me for an outreach.
>I totally support their application.
>Regards,
>Afifa
>
>On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani 
>* <<mailto:pavan at namesphere.asia>pavan at namesphere.asia> wrote:
>Please check the answers below, Staff there are 
>some with a N/A, please help get that information
>
>* Do they allow individual members?Yes
>    Institutional members? N/A
>
>* What is size of their membership at this time? 
>What proportion of their membership are individuals?
>(10) in Board of Trustees
>
>(3) Audit Committee
>
>(5) in Board of Directors
>
>(35) other members”
>
>
>* Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>
>N/A
>
>Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
>
>Thanks so much!
>
>Pavan
>
>
>
>On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>
>* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
>* What is size of their membership at this time? 
>What proportion of their membership are individuals?
>* Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>
>
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