[APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual

Justine Chew justine.chew at gmail.com
Sun Dec 3 01:01:05 UTC 2017


Good mornin, all.

Hi Maureen,

I completely agree with you on the point of trust. This goes back to my
original question of ...
"What happened to the requirement for each individual member applicant to
submit an undertaking that he/she is not (or at least, no longer) a member
of an affiliated ALS? "

Also I believe this undertaking includes one which says that if an
individual member of a RALO then becomes a member of an ALS, he/she
forfeits his/her individual membership. So this offers an "exit" mechanism.

Of course policing this is a separate effort -- I guess trust in the
undertaking is a logical way to go and if there is evidence of the contrary
(obtained independently of the applicant/individual member) (ie due
diligence) then action should be taken to address that conflict.


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   1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
      Applications (Maureen Hilyard)
   2. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
      Applications (Maureen Hilyard)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
To: Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com>
Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <
anupamagrawal.in at gmail.com>
Bcc:
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:03:08 -1000
Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
Applications
This is really opening up a can of worms.   have to take people's word on
TRUST.

It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
or any ISOC In India.

Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of
ALses?

ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
significant news from ICANN
ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users
ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news about
ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development process
ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
regarding ICANN and its work



  but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an
organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they are not
longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com> wrote:

> Thanks Rajnesh.
>
> The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have been
> finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is not
> always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a
> person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing
> an example.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> satish
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
>> applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
>> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do
>> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>>
>> Raj
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Afifa
>>>
>>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
>>> individual member? He should already be involved.
>>>
>>> M :)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out
>>>> to me for an outreach.
>>>> I totally support their application.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Afifa
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <
>>>> pavan at namesphere.asia> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
>>>>> please help get that information
>>>>>
>>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes
>>>>>    Institutional members? N/A
>>>>>
>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>>>>> their membership are individuals?
>>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) Audit Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> (5) in Board of Directors
>>>>>
>>>>> (35) other members”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>>>>
>>>>> N/A
>>>>>
>>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pavan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
>>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>>>>>> their membership are individuals?
>>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
To: Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com>
Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <
anupamagrawal.in at gmail.com>
Bcc:
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:10:24 -1000
Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
Applications
Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This is really opening up a can
of worms.   have to take people's word on TRUST.

It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
or any ISOC In India.

Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses?
ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
significant news from ICANN
ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet users
ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news about
ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development process
ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
regarding ICANN and its work
ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and its decisions
and their (potential)regional impact and (potential) effect on individuals
in the region;
I started to make mention of the fact that we could have to ask people who
have disagreements with their ALS managements and leave, that they may have
to bring along a letter saying that they are no longer members. But what a
hassle.
But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss with an volunteers
of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and
metrics.
Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff to create a wiki
space for us.
Maureen

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is really opening up a can of worms.   have to take people's word on
> TRUST.
>
> It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
> lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
> members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
> or any ISOC In India.
>
> Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
> rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
> compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
> so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of
> ALses?
>
> ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
> significant news from ICANN
> ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet
> users
> ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news
> about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development
> process
> ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
> regarding ICANN and its work
>
>
>
>   but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an
> organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they are not
> longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rajnesh.
>>
>> The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have
>> been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is
>> not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a
>> person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing
>> an example.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> satish
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
>>> applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
>>> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do
>>> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Afifa
>>>>
>>>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
>>>> individual member? He should already be involved.
>>>>
>>>> M :)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out
>>>>> to me for an outreach.
>>>>> I totally support their application.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Afifa
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <
>>>>> pavan at namesphere.asia> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
>>>>>> please help get that information
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes
>>>>>>    Institutional members? N/A
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>>>>>> their membership are individuals?
>>>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (3) Audit Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (5) in Board of Directors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (35) other members”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N/A
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pavan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
>>>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>>>>>>> their membership are individuals?
>>>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> APAC-Discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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