[APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications

Justine Chew justine.chew at gmail.com
Sat Dec 2 14:11:10 UTC 2017


Hi Satish,

Again, I understand the context of and need for due diligence.

Perhaps in moving forward with framing the rules pertaining to individual
membership applications, there be further consideration for a solution to
Raj's question about verification -- asking the applicant himself/herself
for clarification on the issue of membership in an affiliated ALS isn't
strictly due diligence. Due diligence should ideally be something that can
be carried out without the intervention of the applicant.

On that note, I bid you a good night.

Justine


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From: Satish Babu <sbabu at ieee.org>
To: Justine Chew <justine.chew at gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:27:18 +0530
Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
Applications
Thanks Justine.

There is a due diligence process for all applications, ALS or individual
member. However, for individual members, we tend to go ahead based on the
self-declaration in order to make it a light-weight process.

As discussed in the GA, we will shortly be framing rules for all aspects of
individual membership. The rigour of the due diligence process is something
that we can consider while framing the rules.







satish


On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Justine Chew <justine.chew at gmail.com> wrote:

> Satish,
>
> I understand and agree with you conceptually. However my question points
> to a step in the application process as opposed to the further
> clarification requested in evaluating an (incomplete?) application, which
> is what appears to have happened with Buddha.
>
> Justine
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:12:07 +0530
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> Applications
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>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Justine Chew <justine.chew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> What happened to the requirement for each individual member applicant to
>> submit an undertaking that he/she is not (or at least, no longer) a member
>> of an affiliated ALS?
>>
>
> Justine,
>
> That is the same self-declaration that I was referring to.
>
>
>
>
>
> satish
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Justine
>>
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>>    1. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
>>       Applications (Rajnesh Singh)
>>    2. Re: FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual       Membership
>>       (Rajnesh Singh)
>>    3. Re: APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
>>       Applications (Satish Babu)
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh at gmail.com>
>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com>, APRALO <apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.ic
>> ann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in at gmail.com>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 12:58:29 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
>> Applications
>> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
>> applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
>> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do
>> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>>
>> Raj
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Afifa
>>>
>>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
>>> individual member? He should already be involved.
>>>
>>> M :)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out
>>>> to me for an outreach.
>>>> I totally support their application.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Afifa
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <
>>>> pavan at namesphere.asia> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
>>>>> please help get that information
>>>>>
>>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes
>>>>>    Institutional members? N/A
>>>>>
>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>>>>> their membership are individuals?
>>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) Audit Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> (5) in Board of Directors
>>>>>
>>>>> (35) other members”
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>>>>
>>>>> N/A
>>>>>
>>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pavan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
>>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>>>>>> their membership are individuals?
>>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh at gmail.com>
>> To: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org>
>> Cc: Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in at gmail.com>, APRALO <
>> apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:09:53 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] FW: Buddha Halder and APRALO Individual
>> Membership
>> Hi Evin,
>>
>> I may be being a bit pedantic here, but your question to Buddha is not
>> phrased correctly.
>> You ask:
>> “*Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)?”*
>>
>> ISOC is not an ALS. Individual ISOC chapters in their own right (and only
>> some, not all) are.
>>
>> Raj
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 10:50 pm, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please see below. Buddha Halder does not qualify for APRALO Individual
>>> Membership at this time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Evin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org>
>>> *Date: *Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:47 PM
>>> *To: *Buddha Halder <bhalder134 at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc: *ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Buddha,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for informing us. Unfortunately, this disqualifies you from
>>> APRALO Individual Membership.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you become unaffiliated with the ALS in the future, please feel free
>>> to re-apply for individual membership.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the meantime, we look forward to engaging you further within APRALO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Evin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Buddha Halder <bhalder134 at gmail.com>
>>> *Date: *Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM
>>> *To: *Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org>
>>> *Cc: *ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: Please Confirm Membership Status
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am an ISOC member.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Buddha
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27-Nov-2017, at 7:23 PM, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Buddha,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your interest in applying as an Individual Member of
>>> APRALO. We need confirmation from you on one item before proceeding with
>>> your confirmation:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Are you currently a member of an ISOC or At-Large Structure (ALS)?*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Only Individuals without ALS affiliation are allowed to apply as
>>> Individual Members. Please let us know as soon as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Evin Ashley Erdoğdu
>>>
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>>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com>
>> To: Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh at gmail.com>
>> Cc: APRALO <apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Anupam Agrawal <
>> anupamagrawal.in at gmail.com>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 18:56:45 +0530
>> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual
>> Applications
>> Thanks Rajnesh.
>>
>> The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have
>> been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is
>> not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a
>> person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing
>> an example.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> satish
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <rajnesh.singh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
>>> applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
>>> This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like I do
>>> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>>>
>>> Raj
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Afifa
>>>>
>>>> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
>>>> individual member? He should already be involved.
>>>>
>>>> M :)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out
>>>>> to me for an outreach.
>>>>> I totally support their application.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Afifa
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <
>>>>> pavan at namesphere.asia> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
>>>>>> please help get that information
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Do they allow individual members?Yes
>>>>>>    Institutional members? N/A
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>>>>>> their membership are individuals?
>>>>>> (10) in Board of Trustees
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (3) Audit Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (5) in Board of Directors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (35) other members”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N/A
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pavan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
>>>>>>> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
>>>>>>> their membership are individuals?
>>>>>>> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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