[APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA

Satish Babu director at icfoss.in
Tue Jul 7 03:05:47 UTC 2015 

Thanks for this bit of research, Ariel...this is indeed a valuable input.





satish


On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang at icann.org> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> (Pitch in my two cents as a Chinese)
>
> I did a bit research and found out that China's state media (including
> Xinhua, people.cn, CCTV) have been using the term Global Internet
> Governance Alliance (全球互联网治理联盟）to refer to NETmundial Initiative
> since
> January this year, if not earlier:
> - http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2015-01/22/c_1114096527.htm
> - http://world.people.com.cn/n/2015/0701/c1002-27239867.html
> - http://bit.ly/1S3c8bJ
>
> There is also a Baidu Baike page (China’s equivalent of wikipedia) about
> NMI (http://bit.ly/1Th0JYh), which is also referred to as Global Internet
> Governance Alliance (全球互联网治理联盟).
>
> This confusion is likely caused by translation. The term NETmundial seems
> to be translated into Chinese based on the meaning and the mission of the
> organization (NETmundial = Global Internet Governance = 全球互联网治理).
> When the
> Chinese reporter(s) wrote about NETmundial in English, I suspect that they
> referred to NMI’s Chinese translated term and translated it literally back
> into English, hence NETmundial Initiative has become Global Internet
> Governance Alliance. So the term was lost in translation (EN —> ZH —> EN).
>
> I will check with our colleagues in Beijing who may have connections to
> the reporter(s). They may help sort out this naming confusion.
>
> Thank you,
> Ariel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <Subrenat>, Jean-Jacques <jjs at dyalog.net>
> Date: Monday, July 6, 2015 at 4:30 AM
> To: Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
> Cc: PacNOG <pacnog at pacnog.org>, Cecily FAASAU <cf at regulator.gov.ws>,
> "oceania-icann at icann.org" <oceania-icann at icann.org>, Pacific Islands
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> igf-pacific <igf-pacific at googlegroups.com>, At-Large Worldwide
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> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global
> Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >having taken part in the face-to-face meeting of the NetMundial
> >Initiative Coordination Council (NMI/CC, Sao Paulo 29-30 June 2015), but
> >writing in a private capacity, I find it useful to clarify a few points :
> >
> >- As far as I'm aware, the term "Global Internet Governance Alliance
> >(GIGA)" exists only in a piece written by "New China", based on a report
> >filed from Sao Paulo by Xinhua, the official news agency of China (and,
> >by the way, "New China" is the English translation of Xinhua 新华). The
> >Xinhua report itself seems to be based on interviews conducted
> >on-the-spot by its reporter(s). In this context, the term GIGA seems to
> >be an amalgamation of various interviews. And as far as I can make out,
> >the news agency correspondents in Sao Paulo were not necessarily experts
> >in Internet matters, nor perhaps of English. The New China piece was
> >brought to our attention on this thread by Salanieta:
> >http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm
> >
> >- Also, it would have been useful for those journalists reporting from
> >Sao Paulo to check, and they would have discovered that the term GIGA is
> >already in use in a different Internet context: the Institute of Global
> >Internet Governance and Advocacy (GIGA) at Nalsar University in India has
> >organized conferences on those themes, and I was invited as a speaker to
> >the "GIGA-1 conference" (Hyderabad 2012),
> >http://cis-india.org/news/giga-conference
> >
> >- During the 2-day meeting in Sao Paulo, and as far as I'm aware, there
> >was no reference to a "GIGA", whether as a synonym of, or a replacement
> >for NMI/CC.
> >
> >- As a member of the global Internet user community, and as a Member of
> >the NMI Coordination Council writing in a private capacity, I consider
> >that there are no grounds for suspecting any sort of maneuver aimed at
> >transforming NMI/CC into, or it being taken over by, a so-called "GIGA".
> >
> >Jean-Jacques.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Mail original -----
> >De: "Evan Leibovitch" <evan at telly.org>
> >À: "Joao Carlos Caribe" <caribe at entropia.blog.br>
> >Cc: members2014 at thespacs.org, "PacNOG" <pacnog at pacnog.org>,
> >oceania-icann at icann.org, "Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual Community
> >(CIVIC)" <civic at dgroups.org>, "Pacific Islands Chapter of the Internet
> >Society Discussion List" <picisoc at picisoc.org>, "igf-pacific"
> ><igf-pacific at googlegroups.com>, "Arab IGF mailing list"
> ><list at igfarab.org>, "apralo" <apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>,
> >"At-Large Worldwide" <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "Cecily FAASAU"
> ><cf at regulator.gov.ws>
> >Envoyé: Dimanche 5 Juillet 2015 23:52:37
> >Objet: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance
> >Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Enough of the cheerleading and lists of names, please.
> >
> >I am still waiting for a straight and honest answer from ANYONE: What is
> >the relationship between this body and the Netmundial Initiative?
> >On Jul 5, 2015 5:40 PM, "Joao Carlos Caribe" < caribe at entropia.blog.br >
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Ad to this group of co-chairs FUndacao Getulio Vargas /CTI Brazil and HRW
> >
> >
> >_ João Carlos Caribé
> >
> >(21) 9 8761 1967
> >
> >Enviado via iPad
> >
> >Em 05/07/2015, às 18:00, Vanda Scartezini < vanda at uol.com.br > escreveu:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >lot’s of names but I also am waiting fro something come out - I did not
> >go to this event, but ICANN staff here went and so did Jean Jacques.
> >Jean Jacques sent out a new report about the event. Guess worth to read
> >it.
> >World economic Forum + Alibaba from China + CGI.br + CEO of ICANN looks
> >an interesting group to chair this.
> >let’s read JJ and debate later.. I had no opportunity to read it yet.
> >Best regards,
> >
> >
> >Vanda Scartezini
> >Polo Consultores Associados
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> >01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
> >Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253
> >Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464
> >So rry for any typos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: < at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > on behalf of Evan
> >Leibovitch < evan at telly.org >
> >Date: Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:09
> >To: Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels at gmail.com >
> >Cc: PacNOG < pacnog at pacnog.org >, igf-pacific <
> >igf-pacific at googlegroups.com >, "Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual
> >Community (CIVIC)" < civic at dgroups.org >, Pacific Islands Chapter of the
> >Internet Society Discussion List < picisoc at picisoc.org >, "
> >oceania-icann at icann.org " < oceania-icann at icann.org >, Arab IGF mailing
> >list < list at igfarab.org >, 'apralo' <
> >apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org >, < members2014 at thespacs.org >,
> >'At-Large Worldwide' < at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org >, Cecily FAASAU
> >< cf at regulator.gov.ws >
> >Subject: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet
> >Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >OK, I'm confused.
> >
> >
> >We have the Netmundial Event, The Netmundul initiative (NMI) and now
> >GIGA.
> >
> >
> >The three movers of NMI are ICANN, the WEF and CGI.br .
> >
> >
> >
> >GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee
> >and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of
> >Internet governance solutions.
> >
> >
> >
> >A​s far as I understood, the "Brazilian Internet Steering Commitee" *is*
> >CGI.br
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >So what is the relationship between NMI and GIGA? Are they parallel orgs?
> >Was there a rename that I missed?
> >
> >
> >And Carlton said that
> >
> >
> >
> >the Council has formally adopted the Terms of Reference of the NMI that
> >led to the Sao Paulo event
> >
> >
> >
> >(In this context, NMI does *not* appear to refer to the ca​lamotous
> >"solution in search of a problem" NMI -- the one that ISOC and others
> >have refused to join -- formed AFTER the Sao Paulo event and seeming to
> >share few of its values. But rather, it seems to refer to the SP event's
> >own outcomes. Or do I have that wrong?)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On one hand, I read the news of Chinese participation -- its
> >acknowledgement of the goals and values of Netmundial -- and share
> >Carlton's optimism. On the other, I look around and see another new
> >source of needless confusion and redundancies that make the whole
> >situation even more impenetrable to non-insiders than before.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 2 July 2015 at 10:30, Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels at gmail.com >
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I joined the event remotely and listened to Ja Ma's speech with keen
> >interest. Quite frankly, I was pleasantly surprised how direct he was..
> >
> >
> >I cannot be pessimistic as my friend Parminder and would urge us not to
> >make the perfect the enemy of the good. For those who went to Sao Paulo
> >and followed the evolution of the NMI, the Council has formally adopted
> >the Terms of Reference of the NMI that led to the Sao Paulo event. The
> >Council has committed to do practical things to advance the outcomes from
> >Sao Paulo, including advancing the work and role of the IGF and
> >furthering the objectives of WSIS.
> >
> >
> >Good enough.
> >
> >
> >Now, Jack Ma (CEO of Alibaba, usually referred in metropolitan
> >publications as 'the Chinese e-commerce giant') could have opted to sign
> >up for the World Economic Forum (WEF)-led thing, the one that even as it
> >utilised Orwellian-derived language to announce itself, baldly refuted
> >the multistakeholder, equality-in-access approach to Internet governance.
> >Instead, he signed with the Brazilian-initiated initiative. As I listened
> >to Jack Ma, I had a sense that he truly understands connecting each of us
> >to all of us is in the collective best interest, Alibaba included. I
> >think he gets it that for most of us, the Internet is about development.
> >I think he gets it that exploiting the Internet for profit does not
> >preclude other dire uses. And he definitely understands that intrusions
> >of one or other kind could be inimical to all our interests.
> >
> >
> >So, what do you do? I will take the Council's word on its commitment. And
> >since they have also embraced a model that allow us to talk to them and
> >let them know if they go astray, we have a way to at least enjoin them to
> >account.
> >
> >
> >It is as good as it gets.
> >
> >
> >-Carlton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >==============================
> >Carlton A Samuels
> >Mobile: 876-818-1799
> >Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround
> >=============================
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> >salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear All,
> >
> >Apologies for the crossposting but this I found interesting:
> >
> >http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm
> >
> >
> >SAO PAULO, June 30 (Xinhua) -- Jack Ma, founder of China's ecommerce
> >giant Alibaba, was elected co-chairman of the Global Internet Governance
> >Alliance (GIGA) at the first general meeting of GIGA council held here
> >Tuesday .
> >
> >"This election signifies trust in China's Internet, and how China governs
> >its Internet," said Ma.
> >
> >The meeting was set to discuss key issues related to international
> >cooperation on Internet governance while highlighting China's role.
> >
> >Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff had called for a just and equal global
> >Internet environment and regarded China as the "key factor to the success
> >of global Internet governance," said Fadi Chehade, president of the
> >Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).
> >
> >Rousseff had suggested he find Chinese partners for cooperation, Chehade
> >said.
> >
> >To establish a multiple-stakeholder platform, Chehade said that dialogues
> >among different partners should be improved, the platform should be
> >transparent and just, and all stakeholders should be able to equally
> >participate in global Internet governance.
> >
> >GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee
> >and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of
> >Internet governance solutions.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the
> >greatest quality of the mind next to honour."
> >
> >Aristotle
> >
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