[APAC-Discuss] [IDN-WG] [ALAC] The Problem of IDNs

Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro sala at pasifikanexus.nu
Mon May 12 19:55:45 UTC 2014


If all of the ALAC agrees, you can squeeze it into the Agenda item.

Sala


On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Rafid A. Fatani <raf at sasiconsult.com>wrote:

> Thank you Rinalia and all,
>
> To carry on from Edmons comment, I think the advocacy side of this
> argument is crucial in order for this agenda item to be handled at the
> right level. I also agree that this is and should rightfully be attached to
> the universal acceptance issue.
>
> I think Leon point with the RALO's is a valid one, but let's not delude
> ourselves here, much bigger influencing and marketing forces are required
> if we are serious about this.
>
> So maybe a good starting point to the 'moving forward' discussion needs to
> take place at ATLAS II - Can this be part of the formal agenda, or is it
> too late now?
>
> Raf
>
> On 12 May 2014, at 06:26, Edmon <edmon at isoc.hk> wrote:
>
> > I think it is very important for ICANN to take the issue of "Universal
> Acceptance of IDN" seriously and take a central role in the coordination
> and facilitation of bringing together the stakeholders so that the issue
> can be addressed.
> >
> > The issue in my mind is 2 fold, including 1. a technical side and 2. an
> advocacy side
> >
> > After many years of discussion, I strongly believe ICANN is the right
> forum and place for this coordination and gathering of stakeholders to take
> place, even as ICANN itself nor its immediate community can "solve" the
> issue.
> >
> > Following from the JIG Final Report on the issue, of which of course I
> was very much involved, I hope that ICANN could make this a strategic item,
> at the level (at least) of advocating for IPv6 and DNSSEC.
> >
> > Also, we must start with our own community, the registries and
> registrars and make sure we have those systems for which ICANN policies can
> directly influence to be fully IDN aware so that users can not only
> register IDNs but use them at least to setup nameservers, dns hosting, web
> hosting and emails.
> >
> > In my mind, the ideal approach ICANN could take would be to convene a
> community wide steering group that would include participants from all
> organs of ICANN, including ALAC, GAC, ccNSO, GNSO, SSAC, RSSAC in fact ASO
> as well, but not stop there, ICANN should also help invite participants
> from other parts of the Internet community including application level
> organizations e.g. WITSA, as well as W3C, IETF, etc.
> >
> > The group should work with an ICANN staff team to produce:
> > 1. A set of best practices for IDN Acceptance in systems (based on and
> consolidating from the experience already in the community)
> > 2. Set of measurements of IDN Acceptance (so we can continue to track
> and measure our progress)
> > 3. Continued study measuring IDN Acceptance on the internet (including
> domain registries and registrars)
> >
> > The group does not need to meet all the time like GNSO working groups,
> we just need to meet maybe 2-3 times a year and keep track of the progress
> and to make sure we move forward methodically.  Such meetings could ideally
> coincide with ICANN meetings, again where we would invite other parts of
> the internet community to join.
> >
> > Well... the above is my wish :-D
> > ICANN board seems have not considered the JIG report yet and am not sure
> what their schedule or priority level is on the issue... Though, here at
> the APTLD meetings, I heard encouraging presentation from Ed Lewis of ICANN
> that finally there is a change in the attitude of ICANN staff that ICANN
> has a role to play in this.
> >
> > In any case, as mentioned briefly in Singapore, I think maybe ALAC can
> take the lead on forming that community wide steering group...
> >
> > Edmon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: idn-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
> idn-wg-bounces at atlarge-
> >> lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rinalia Abdul Rahim
> >> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:36 AM
> >> To: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
> >> Cc: Carlton Samuels; No name; ALAC Working List; Don Hollander; apralo
> >> Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] [ALAC] The Problem of IDNs
> >>
> >> Hi, Leon.
> >>
> >> A cross-RALO collaboration would be excellent if there is interest in
> the respective
> >> RALOs to take on this issue.  In the past, RALOs have had different
> prioritization
> >> for IDN related issues.  I think some awareness-raising is needed among
> RALOs
> >> to help them understand the nature of the problem.  It is a problem of
> relevance to
> >> users worldwide.
> >>
> >> A webinar before ATLAS II in London and / or  discussion during ATLAS
> II in
> >> London would be a good opportunity to do it.  Would you be willing to
> help
> >> shepherd process (i.e.,  make sure a discussion happens on the topic)?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Rinalia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 1:12 AM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <
> >> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Good information. Thanks Rinalia!
> >>>
> >>> I might be stating the obvious, however, this is not a problem that is
> >>> exclusive to the AP region but to the rest of the regions as well. I
> >>> see it as a chance to advance in a cross-regional effort in order to
> >>> create awareness and engage different users and technical communities
> >>> towards addressing the issue.
> >>>
> >>> Could we think of ways in which we could collaborate across RALOs to
> >>> help solve the problem? Maybe a cross-regional workshop at some forum?
> >>>
> >>> What are your thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> León
> >>>
> >>> El 09/05/2014, a las 10:07, Carlton Samuels
> >>> <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> >>> escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim <
> >>>> rinalia.abdulrahim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The challenge for ICANN is that it doesn't deal with application
> >>>>> level problems.  Nevertheless, the successful adoption of IDN TLDs
> >>>>> is
> >>> arguably a
> >>>>> success measure for ICANN's TLD programme, so ICANN has a stake in
> >>> seeing
> >>>>> IDNs succeed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe. But if ICANN were to understand that the application issues
> >>> impacts
> >>>> not just the health but a 'stable, secure.....' ecosystem then ICANN
> >>> would
> >>>> be well-advised to find a corner and get to working.
> >>>>
> >>>> In this era of roiled sensibilities and sensitivities ICANN no
> >>>> longer has the luxury of being Potiphar's wife; make a claim to be
> above
> >> reproach.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for sharing, Rinalia.  Much obliged.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Carlton
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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