[APAC-Discuss] [ALAC-Internal] ALS Application: Netmission.ASIA

Sivasubramanian M isolatedn at gmail.com
Mon Apr 11 03:34:04 UTC 2011 

Dear Darlene,

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>wrote:

> Darlene,
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca>wrote:
>
>> I just want to state that I. as an individual and speaking for no-one
>> else, agree 100% with Fouad.  As I expressed in SanFrancisco, I also
>> disagree with Sivas's idea of having ALS's Balance Sheets and/or Income
>> Statements on public lists.
>>
>
> Where and when did I tell you anything about the Balance Sheet or Income
> Statement of an ALS?
>


And by the way, it is a very good through, so I will say it now, though not
in the exact same words.

There must be some transparency about how an ALS is funded.

Sivasubramanian M

>
>
>
>>
>> D
>>
>> Darlene A. Thompson
>> CAP Administrator
>> N-CAP/Department of Education
>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>> dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>> ________________________________________
>> From: alac-internal-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
>> alac-internal-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Cheryl
>> Langdon-Orr [langdonorr at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM
>> To: Fouad Bajwa
>> Cc: ALAC Internal List; ICANN AtLarge Staff;
>> apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org; Sivasubramanian M
>> Subject: Re: [ALAC-Internal] [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application:
>> Netmission.ASIA
>>
>> Fouad  you outline many of the concerns  ALAC  would be discussing and
>> debating if such a proposal for change was ever to get that far  and of
>> course we would also no doubt need to audit  changes and claims made in
>> application of existing ALSes  (just to be fair)   Happy Google searching
>> on
>> all the Members we could list for ISOC-AU and indeed the Membership pf the
>> Organisational Members we list   I think you see the tone of my personal
>> view on this... BUT  should APRALO desire a change to these ALS
>> application
>> forms  you now know  how that would need to be approached if it were to
>> have
>> any chance of it happening...
>>
>> Also note please the Criteria  for becoming an ALS does not discuss the
>> need
>> for "members"  per se at all... see
>> http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/structures-app.htm   but
>> rather
>> the criteria is that the minimum standards ARE :
>>
>> *Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure:*
>>
>>   1. Commit to supporting individual Internet users' informed
>> participation
>>    in ICANN by distributing to individual constituents/members information
>> on
>>   relevant ICANN activities and issues, offering Internet-based mechanisms
>>   that enable discussions of one or more of these activities and issues
>> among
>>   individual constituents/members, and involving individual
>>   constituents/members in relevant ICANN policy development, discussions
>> and
>>   decisions.
>>    2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users who
>>    are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in
>> which
>>   the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS may
>> permit
>>   additional participation by others that is compatible with the interests
>> of
>>   the individual Internet users within the region.
>>    3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding).
>>   4. Post on the Internet (on the ALAC's website or elsewhere)
>>    publicly-accessible, current information about the ALS's goals,
>> structure,
>>   description of constituent group(s)/membership, working mechanisms,
>>   leadership, and contact(s).
>>    5. Assist the RALO in performing its function  FROM
>>    http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/structures-app.htm
>>
>> As well as  "Guidelines for Evaluating an ALS" document where the matters
>> of
>> 'Membership'  etc.,  (amongst other matters) is outlined in full,   EN
>>  version  is found at
>>
>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2263023/ALAC-2007-SD-2-Rev7%2520ALS%2520Application%2520Interpretation%2520Guidelines%2520-%2520EN.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1283970985000
>>
>>
>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr
>> (CLO)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 April 2011 10:22, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Cheryl and all,
>> >
>> > Thank you for sharing this in much detail as it adds to my knowledge
>> > as well about how the due diligence works. I believe it is crucial to
>> > note here that if the process got involved in checking with each
>> > individual their background, that would be first an invasion on one's
>> > privacy and secondly it would become a hassle for such a process to
>> > fulfill what it is objectively designed and structured to do.
>> >
>> > I want to take a brief moment here to explain how I look at
>> > applications for joining ALAC through APRALO:
>> >
>> > As far as Net Mission application is concerned I believe that since
>> > Siva was part of the ICANN fellowship program and there were "adopted
>> > fellows" this time from Net Mission in the San Francisco meeting, and
>> > I was able to attend most of those fellowship meetings as well as
>> > Olivier, the two participants from Net Mission did share quite some
>> > information during my interactions. I got to meet the group during the
>> > IGF in Lithuania as well. Its important to note that these young
>> > participants have found their path in ICANN through ALAC and APRALO.
>> >
>> > Another thing to note is that Net Mission Ambassadors are very vocal,
>> > transparent and public. Two members participated in the APRALO meeting
>> > and I believe Siva took the kind liberty of introducing them in the
>> > meeting. One of the ambassador, Michelle Qin has also blogged about
>> > her experience at
>> >
>> http://join.ust.hk/blog/michelle-qin/40th-icann-conference-san-francisco.
>> > Interesting when we do a search with the names provided in the
>> > application such as Richard Cheng the following information pops up
>> > http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Richard_Cheng.
>> >
>> > Each member listed in the application displays significant
>> > participation within ICANN or IGF processes such as Bianca Ho was
>> > participating in the IGF and this the workshop officially approved and
>> > delivered:
>> >
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=75
>> > If any of our members would like more proof, Net Mission's annual
>> > report is a very good evidence of what all these members do:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.ycig.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/NM-annual-report-2009-10-eng-web.pdf
>> > .
>> > In fact each member in that list has details on the web and if I
>> > wander to Yvonne Lee, search returns
>> > http://sites.google.com/site/yvonneseportfoliobackup/page. These
>> > members appear in very good standing, active and I would like to hear
>> > their young point of views on Internet user related issues.
>> >
>> > Personally speaking, checking on every member of a given ALS
>> > application would cause a breach of privacy and on an my own personal
>> > individual basis I would not support such a practice neither encourage
>> > it within APRALO though consensus is a separate subject.
>> >
>> > Maybe such would be otherwise if we initiated the inclusion of
>> > individual membership in the future because then an individual would
>> > have to go through due diligence. I still have to seek guidance from
>> > Cheryl and Olivier in this matter on how to structure such an option
>> > in my proposal to APRALO in the near future.
>> >
>> > I look forward to Net Mission's application receiving due diligence
>> > and it would indeed be a pleasure to meet up with these young leaders
>> > again in our interactions during the Singapore meeting.
>> >
>> > Take care all.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards.
>> > --------------------------
>> > Fouad Bajwa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr <
>> langdonorr at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Hi Siva  what goes into being an ALS application form for ICANN is
>> >  decided
>> > > by ALAC and approved / negotiated with ICANN (usually Legal advise the
>> > Board
>> > > on this)  and ALAC go through considerable work with ICANN Legal  on
>> > > ramifications, purpose and effect of any such changes to ALS
>> application
>> > > forms and the processes associated with them...
>> > >
>> > > FYI  the last major overhaul of this system and forms  started in 2007
>> at
>> > > the LA Meeting  and was completed in 2008... and was in part
>> responding
>> > to a
>> > > matter of complaint (against ALAC) that had been dealt with by the
>> then
>> > > ICANN Ombudsman... and it is from his recommendations  that we also
>> > strive
>> > > so carefully to review ALS applications in such a timely manner and
>> have
>> > in
>> > > the public record the status and progression of received applications.
>> > >
>> > > So if a Region (such as APRALO)  believe  changes  to or additional
>> > > information is desirable to assist in the role that the RALO Officers
>> > have
>> > > in conducting their part in the Regional Advice on an ALS applicant
>> > >  (which is done after the Due Diligence phase), then the way to get
>> this
>> > to
>> > > happen is to request the RALO  to have these suggestions and
>> > > the rational etc.,  for them  brought  forward  to the ALAC and to
>> > request a
>> > > process of ALS application form (and possible processing standards
>> etc.,)
>> > >  set for a formal review...
>> > >
>> > > Do let me know if I can assist APRALO with doing any of that...
>> > >
>> > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr
>> > > (CLO)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 6 April 2011 03:07, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hello
>> > >>
>> > >> Could there be a section in the ALS application form the applicant to
>> > >> furnish a list of members, each listed with some basic particulars as
>> > their
>> > >> profession, the name of the organization they belong to, their
>> position
>> > and
>> > >> contact information? That would give us an idea about the diversity
>> of
>> > the
>> > >> member base of the proposed ALS.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Sivasubramanian M
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Dear Marilyn,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thank you for the update on the application submission by Net
>> Mission.
>> > >> > We look forward to the due diligence completion and are positive
>> about
>> > >> > Net Mission Hong Kong's possible participation in APRALO.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Best
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Fouad
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Marilyn Vernon <
>> > staff at atlarge.icann.org>
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> > > Dear all,
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from
>> > >> > > Netmission.ASIA. It is based in Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong and
>> would
>> > be a
>> > >> > > member of APRALO if accepted.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Please find the application form attached. The regional liaison
>> for
>> > >> Asia
>> > >> > > Pacific has been informed and will provide us with due diligence
>> for
>> > >> this
>> > >> > > application in due course.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > --
>> > >> > > Regards,
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon
>> > >> > > ICANN At-Large Staff
>> > >> >
>> > >> > _______________________________________________
>> >
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