[APAC-Discuss] [ALAC-Internal] ALS Application: Netmission.ASIA

Sivasubramanian M isolatedn at gmail.com
Mon Apr 11 03:25:51 UTC 2011


Darlene,

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson1 at gov.nu.ca>wrote:

> I just want to state that I. as an individual and speaking for no-one else,
> agree 100% with Fouad.  As I expressed in SanFrancisco, I also disagree with
> Sivas's idea of having ALS's Balance Sheets and/or Income Statements on
> public lists.
>

Where and when did I tell you anything about the Balance Sheet or Income
Statement of an ALS?



>
> D
>
> Darlene A. Thompson
> CAP Administrator
> N-CAP/Department of Education
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> ________________________________________
> From: alac-internal-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> alac-internal-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Cheryl
> Langdon-Orr [langdonorr at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM
> To: Fouad Bajwa
> Cc: ALAC Internal List; ICANN AtLarge Staff;
> apac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org; Sivasubramanian M
> Subject: Re: [ALAC-Internal] [APAC-Discuss] ALS Application:
> Netmission.ASIA
>
> Fouad  you outline many of the concerns  ALAC  would be discussing and
> debating if such a proposal for change was ever to get that far  and of
> course we would also no doubt need to audit  changes and claims made in
> application of existing ALSes  (just to be fair)   Happy Google searching
> on
> all the Members we could list for ISOC-AU and indeed the Membership pf the
> Organisational Members we list   I think you see the tone of my personal
> view on this... BUT  should APRALO desire a change to these ALS application
> forms  you now know  how that would need to be approached if it were to
> have
> any chance of it happening...
>
> Also note please the Criteria  for becoming an ALS does not discuss the
> need
> for "members"  per se at all... see
> http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/structures-app.htm   but
> rather
> the criteria is that the minimum standards ARE :
>
> *Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure:*
>
>   1. Commit to supporting individual Internet users' informed participation
>    in ICANN by distributing to individual constituents/members information
> on
>   relevant ICANN activities and issues, offering Internet-based mechanisms
>   that enable discussions of one or more of these activities and issues
> among
>   individual constituents/members, and involving individual
>   constituents/members in relevant ICANN policy development, discussions
> and
>   decisions.
>    2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users who
>    are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in
> which
>   the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS may
> permit
>   additional participation by others that is compatible with the interests
> of
>   the individual Internet users within the region.
>    3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding).
>   4. Post on the Internet (on the ALAC's website or elsewhere)
>    publicly-accessible, current information about the ALS's goals,
> structure,
>   description of constituent group(s)/membership, working mechanisms,
>   leadership, and contact(s).
>    5. Assist the RALO in performing its function  FROM
>    http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/structures-app.htm
>
> As well as  "Guidelines for Evaluating an ALS" document where the matters
> of
> 'Membership'  etc.,  (amongst other matters) is outlined in full,   EN
>  version  is found at
>
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2263023/ALAC-2007-SD-2-Rev7%2520ALS%2520Application%2520Interpretation%2520Guidelines%2520-%2520EN.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1283970985000
>
>
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr
> (CLO)
>
>
>
> On 6 April 2011 10:22, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Cheryl and all,
> >
> > Thank you for sharing this in much detail as it adds to my knowledge
> > as well about how the due diligence works. I believe it is crucial to
> > note here that if the process got involved in checking with each
> > individual their background, that would be first an invasion on one's
> > privacy and secondly it would become a hassle for such a process to
> > fulfill what it is objectively designed and structured to do.
> >
> > I want to take a brief moment here to explain how I look at
> > applications for joining ALAC through APRALO:
> >
> > As far as Net Mission application is concerned I believe that since
> > Siva was part of the ICANN fellowship program and there were "adopted
> > fellows" this time from Net Mission in the San Francisco meeting, and
> > I was able to attend most of those fellowship meetings as well as
> > Olivier, the two participants from Net Mission did share quite some
> > information during my interactions. I got to meet the group during the
> > IGF in Lithuania as well. Its important to note that these young
> > participants have found their path in ICANN through ALAC and APRALO.
> >
> > Another thing to note is that Net Mission Ambassadors are very vocal,
> > transparent and public. Two members participated in the APRALO meeting
> > and I believe Siva took the kind liberty of introducing them in the
> > meeting. One of the ambassador, Michelle Qin has also blogged about
> > her experience at
> > http://join.ust.hk/blog/michelle-qin/40th-icann-conference-san-francisco
> .
> > Interesting when we do a search with the names provided in the
> > application such as Richard Cheng the following information pops up
> > http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Richard_Cheng.
> >
> > Each member listed in the application displays significant
> > participation within ICANN or IGF processes such as Bianca Ho was
> > participating in the IGF and this the workshop officially approved and
> > delivered:
> >
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=75
> > If any of our members would like more proof, Net Mission's annual
> > report is a very good evidence of what all these members do:
> >
> >
> http://www.ycig.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/NM-annual-report-2009-10-eng-web.pdf
> > .
> > In fact each member in that list has details on the web and if I
> > wander to Yvonne Lee, search returns
> > http://sites.google.com/site/yvonneseportfoliobackup/page. These
> > members appear in very good standing, active and I would like to hear
> > their young point of views on Internet user related issues.
> >
> > Personally speaking, checking on every member of a given ALS
> > application would cause a breach of privacy and on an my own personal
> > individual basis I would not support such a practice neither encourage
> > it within APRALO though consensus is a separate subject.
> >
> > Maybe such would be otherwise if we initiated the inclusion of
> > individual membership in the future because then an individual would
> > have to go through due diligence. I still have to seek guidance from
> > Cheryl and Olivier in this matter on how to structure such an option
> > in my proposal to APRALO in the near future.
> >
> > I look forward to Net Mission's application receiving due diligence
> > and it would indeed be a pleasure to meet up with these young leaders
> > again in our interactions during the Singapore meeting.
> >
> > Take care all.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards.
> > --------------------------
> > Fouad Bajwa
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Siva  what goes into being an ALS application form for ICANN is
> >  decided
> > > by ALAC and approved / negotiated with ICANN (usually Legal advise the
> > Board
> > > on this)  and ALAC go through considerable work with ICANN Legal  on
> > > ramifications, purpose and effect of any such changes to ALS
> application
> > > forms and the processes associated with them...
> > >
> > > FYI  the last major overhaul of this system and forms  started in 2007
> at
> > > the LA Meeting  and was completed in 2008... and was in part responding
> > to a
> > > matter of complaint (against ALAC) that had been dealt with by the then
> > > ICANN Ombudsman... and it is from his recommendations  that we also
> > strive
> > > so carefully to review ALS applications in such a timely manner and
> have
> > in
> > > the public record the status and progression of received applications.
> > >
> > > So if a Region (such as APRALO)  believe  changes  to or additional
> > > information is desirable to assist in the role that the RALO Officers
> > have
> > > in conducting their part in the Regional Advice on an ALS applicant
> > >  (which is done after the Due Diligence phase), then the way to get
> this
> > to
> > > happen is to request the RALO  to have these suggestions and
> > > the rational etc.,  for them  brought  forward  to the ALAC and to
> > request a
> > > process of ALS application form (and possible processing standards
> etc.,)
> > >  set for a formal review...
> > >
> > > Do let me know if I can assist APRALO with doing any of that...
> > >
> > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr
> > > (CLO)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 April 2011 03:07, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello
> > >>
> > >> Could there be a section in the ALS application form the applicant to
> > >> furnish a list of members, each listed with some basic particulars as
> > their
> > >> profession, the name of the organization they belong to, their
> position
> > and
> > >> contact information? That would give us an idea about the diversity of
> > the
> > >> member base of the proposed ALS.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sivasubramanian M
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Dear Marilyn,
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you for the update on the application submission by Net
> Mission.
> > >> > We look forward to the due diligence completion and are positive
> about
> > >> > Net Mission Hong Kong's possible participation in APRALO.
> > >> >
> > >> > Best
> > >> >
> > >> > Fouad
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Marilyn Vernon <
> > staff at atlarge.icann.org>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > Dear all,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from
> > >> > > Netmission.ASIA. It is based in Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong and would
> > be a
> > >> > > member of APRALO if accepted.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Please find the application form attached. The regional liaison
> for
> > >> Asia
> > >> > > Pacific has been informed and will provide us with due diligence
> for
> > >> this
> > >> > > application in due course.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Regards,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon
> > >> > > ICANN At-Large Staff
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> >
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