[APAC-Discuss] [ALAC-Internal] ALS Application: Netmission.ASIA

Wed Apr 6 01:08:49 UTC 2011

Fouad  you outline many of the concerns  ALAC  would be discussing and
debating if such a proposal for change was ever to get that far  and of
course we would also no doubt need to audit  changes and claims made in
application of existing ALSes  (just to be fair)   Happy Google searching on
all the Members we could list for ISOC-AU and indeed the Membership pf the
Organisational Members we list   I think you see the tone of my personal
view on this... BUT  should APRALO desire a change to these ALS application
forms  you now know  how that would need to be approached if it were to have
any chance of it happening...

Also note please the Criteria  for becoming an ALS does not discuss the need
for "members"  per se at all... see
http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/structures-app.htm   but rather
the criteria is that the minimum standards ARE :

*Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure:*

   1. Commit to supporting individual Internet users' informed participation
   in ICANN by distributing to individual constituents/members information on
   relevant ICANN activities and issues, offering Internet-based mechanisms
   that enable discussions of one or more of these activities and issues among
   individual constituents/members, and involving individual
   constituents/members in relevant ICANN policy development, discussions and
   decisions.
   2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users who
   are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in which
   the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS may permit
   additional participation by others that is compatible with the interests of
   the individual Internet users within the region.
   3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding).
   4. Post on the Internet (on the ALAC's website or elsewhere)
   publicly-accessible, current information about the ALS's goals, structure,
   description of constituent group(s)/membership, working mechanisms,
   leadership, and contact(s).
   5. Assist the RALO in performing its function  FROM
   http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/structures-app.htm

As well as  "Guidelines for Evaluating an ALS" document where the matters of
'Membership'  etc.,  (amongst other matters) is outlined in full,   EN
 version  is found at
https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2263023/ALAC-2007-SD-2-Rev7%2520ALS%2520Application%2520Interpretation%2520Guidelines%2520-%2520EN.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1283970985000

Cheryl Langdon-Orr
(CLO)

On 6 April 2011 10:22, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Cheryl and all,
>
> Thank you for sharing this in much detail as it adds to my knowledge
> as well about how the due diligence works. I believe it is crucial to
> note here that if the process got involved in checking with each
> individual their background, that would be first an invasion on one's
> privacy and secondly it would become a hassle for such a process to
> fulfill what it is objectively designed and structured to do.
>
> I want to take a brief moment here to explain how I look at
> applications for joining ALAC through APRALO:
>
> As far as Net Mission application is concerned I believe that since
> Siva was part of the ICANN fellowship program and there were "adopted
> fellows" this time from Net Mission in the San Francisco meeting, and
> I was able to attend most of those fellowship meetings as well as
> Olivier, the two participants from Net Mission did share quite some
> information during my interactions. I got to meet the group during the
> IGF in Lithuania as well. Its important to note that these young
> participants have found their path in ICANN through ALAC and APRALO.
>
> Another thing to note is that Net Mission Ambassadors are very vocal,
> transparent and public. Two members participated in the APRALO meeting
> and I believe Siva took the kind liberty of introducing them in the
> meeting. One of the ambassador, Michelle Qin has also blogged about
> her experience at
> http://join.ust.hk/blog/michelle-qin/40th-icann-conference-san-francisco.
> Interesting when we do a search with the names provided in the
> application such as Richard Cheng the following information pops up
> http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Richard_Cheng.
>
> Each member listed in the application displays significant
> participation within ICANN or IGF processes such as Bianca Ho was
> participating in the IGF and this the workshop officially approved and
> delivered:
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/component/chronocontact/?chronoformname=WSProposals2010View&wspid=75
> If any of our members would like more proof, Net Mission's annual
> report is a very good evidence of what all these members do:
>
> http://www.ycig.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/NM-annual-report-2009-10-eng-web.pdf
> .
> In fact each member in that list has details on the web and if I
> wander to Yvonne Lee, search returns
> http://sites.google.com/site/yvonneseportfoliobackup/page. These
> members appear in very good standing, active and I would like to hear
> their young point of views on Internet user related issues.
>
> Personally speaking, checking on every member of a given ALS
> application would cause a breach of privacy and on an my own personal
> individual basis I would not support such a practice neither encourage
> it within APRALO though consensus is a separate subject.
>
> Maybe such would be otherwise if we initiated the inclusion of
> individual membership in the future because then an individual would
> have to go through due diligence. I still have to seek guidance from
> Cheryl and Olivier in this matter on how to structure such an option
> in my proposal to APRALO in the near future.
>
> I look forward to Net Mission's application receiving due diligence
> and it would indeed be a pleasure to meet up with these young leaders
> again in our interactions during the Singapore meeting.
>
> Take care all.
>
>
> --
> Regards.
> --------------------------
> Fouad Bajwa
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Siva  what goes into being an ALS application form for ICANN is
>  decided
> > by ALAC and approved / negotiated with ICANN (usually Legal advise the
> Board
> > on this)  and ALAC go through considerable work with ICANN Legal  on
> > ramifications, purpose and effect of any such changes to ALS application
> > forms and the processes associated with them...
> >
> > FYI  the last major overhaul of this system and forms  started in 2007 at
> > the LA Meeting  and was completed in 2008... and was in part responding
> to a
> > matter of complaint (against ALAC) that had been dealt with by the then
> > ICANN Ombudsman... and it is from his recommendations  that we also
> strive
> > so carefully to review ALS applications in such a timely manner and have
> in
> > the public record the status and progression of received applications.
> >
> > So if a Region (such as APRALO)  believe  changes  to or additional
> > information is desirable to assist in the role that the RALO Officers
> have
> > in conducting their part in the Regional Advice on an ALS applicant
> >  (which is done after the Due Diligence phase), then the way to get this
> to
> > happen is to request the RALO  to have these suggestions and
> > the rational etc.,  for them  brought  forward  to the ALAC and to
> request a
> > process of ALS application form (and possible processing standards etc.,)
> >  set for a formal review...
> >
> > Do let me know if I can assist APRALO with doing any of that...
> >
> > Cheryl Langdon-Orr
> > (CLO)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 April 2011 03:07, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> Could there be a section in the ALS application form the applicant to
> >> furnish a list of members, each listed with some basic particulars as
> their
> >> profession, the name of the organization they belong to, their position
> and
> >> contact information? That would give us an idea about the diversity of
> the
> >> member base of the proposed ALS.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear Marilyn,
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for the update on the application submission by Net Mission.
> >> > We look forward to the due diligence completion and are positive about
> >> > Net Mission Hong Kong's possible participation in APRALO.
> >> >
> >> > Best
> >> >
> >> > Fouad
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Marilyn Vernon <
> staff at atlarge.icann.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > Dear all,
> >> > >
> >> > > This is to inform you that we received an ALS application from
> >> > > Netmission.ASIA. It is based in Tsim Sha Tsui, Hong Kong and would
> be a
> >> > > member of APRALO if accepted.
> >> > >
> >> > > Please find the application form attached. The regional liaison for
> >> Asia
> >> > > Pacific has been informed and will provide us with due diligence for
> >> this
> >> > > application in due course.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Heidi Ullrich, Gisella Gruber-White, Seth Greene, Marilyn Vernon
> >> > > ICANN At-Large Staff
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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