[ALAC] ALAC Rules of Procedure - draft amendments to Rule 21 - versions espanol and francais

[Alan Greenberg]

At 23/10/2008 02:48 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>In my mind, this draft may go somewhat over the top and I do agree that
>a re-draft needs to be done but we DO need something like this in place.
>When we see charts of approximately 50% of our ALAC members NOT meeting
>minimum participation standards then we have a huge problem that must be
>addressed.
>
>For what Wendy said about counting minutes - nothing in this paper calls
>for that.  Your attendance is automatically counted at each meeting and
>conference call.  Your e-mails are automatically counted on the lists.
>Your participations in groups is automatically logged.  This will not
>mean any extra time for anybody (except to actually DO what they
>volunteered to do).
>
>As Alan mentioned, there does seem to be a lot of onus put on the Chair
>but there is a point there that the chair needs to contact the RALO for
>input into what needs to be done.  There is also a system where the
>Chair must give several cautions before anything is done.  It also has
>the provision that if an ALAC member has extreme illness or family
>difficulties, they can be excused from the provisions.  This seems
>pretty fair to me.

I have no problem with the Chair being the "doer". I think that when 
decision are delegated to the chair in any rules, it must be in an 
explicit and open way, with appropriate reporting back. And my 
preference is to do it as little as possible.


>Alan, you also mentioned, "But writing rules such as these almost sets
>the expectations that we are going to have a lot of people in violation
>of them. We should set reasonable expectations, and in the (hopefully
>rare) cases that people are not meeting them, take effective action."
>Unfortunately, as I mentioned in the first paragraph, we seem to have
>about 50% of ALAC members not complying with minimum standards so these,
>unfortunately, aren't rare cases.

True, we do have a problem, as I also said. But we don't want to get 
into the mode similar to the old joke where among the rules of 
behaviour that a boss posts for the employees, is one that says "The 
whippings will continue until moral improves".

As I mentioned, we really need to define our expectations ahead of 
time and make sure that the bodies SELECTING our members know what they are.

Alan

>Also, this document gives actual time lines as to when the Chair must
>get involved.  This way, the problem doesn't drag on for months and
>months as it seems to be doing right now.
>
>The wording about liaisons giving only the ALAC views and NOT their own
>views is excellent and needs to be enforced.
>
>Personally, I'm getting rather tired of seeing certain ALAC
>members/liaisons doing little or nothing within the ICANN mandate but
>going off three times a year to lovely junkets.  I signed on as
>Secretariat thinking that I wasn't going to get ANY travel and have
>still maintained better stats than a lot of the ALAC members.  Those who
>object to performance measurements are usually those who have the
>greatest need to fear them.  (Not you, Alan - your performance is
>sterling and I look forward to hearing from you on how you would fix
>this wording when you have time).
>
>Darlene
>
>Darlene A. Thompson
>Community Access Program Administrator
>Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
>P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
>Phone:  (867) 975-5631
>Fax:  (867) 975-5610
>E-mail:  dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:31 AM
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>Subject: [ALAC] ALAC Rules of Procedure - draft amendments to Rule 21 -
>versions espanol and francais
>
>Dear members:
>
>We have today posted the french and spanish versions of the discussion
>draft
>of changes to Rule 21 of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. These can be found
>at:
>https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?cairo_documents
>--
>Regards,
>
>Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger
>ICANN At-Large Staff
>email: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>
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