<div dir="auto">I also want to give voice to support networking *opportunities* note people they are not compulsory just like speaking to friends, foes or totally new people bovet a brrak is not required at physical meetings... And like Judith I have *many* positive experiences from several different online fora pre and in pandemic mode and I certainly value them... <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I should note that in our virtual National IGF we specifically requested speakers at sessions to make themselves available in the social networking channel we provided during the following breaks... Just saying.... </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 00:18 Judith Hellerstein <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>HI Maureen,</p>
<p>I have read the paper and have different experiences than
others. At the IGF USA we did a virtual cocktail and it was
great. It was relaxing and gave everyone a change to relax and let
go steam. Of course we did this after the event was over. So
perhaps that was why it worked well. People who were not
participating in the event and were just webinar participants said
it was also great <br>
</p>
<p>I loved the networking event we did in Malaysia. I thought it
worked well. We got the idea from RIPE NCC which had a series of
fun social events and this worked really well. <br>
</p>
<p>I tried out Spatial Chat at the Brazilian IGF meeting which was a
Samba Party and I did not know anyone but it was easy to talk to
people and there were places to go and quietly talk to others. You
would leave the music room and go to another room and it worked
well. I got a chance to talk to people I only knew from meetings.
It was relaxing and I think this worked out well. At the TTF in
January we will be testing a series of these networking apps so
can provide you with more feedback later. <br>
</p>
<p>After each session we had a separate room where people can go and
talk to the speakers after the session and continue the
conversation like often happens in in person events and this
worked really well. I enjoyed these 20 minutes convos. I think it
really helped. It was very informal <br>
</p>
<p>I think we need more places to be informal. We need to have zoom
rooms, white boards and other things that we have during in-person
events. We need an ability to talk informally instead of just so
formal events and meeting which can be stale.</p>
<p>Holly and Marita are right, these three week sessions are
killers. For Virtual meetings we cannot have 3 weeks, it just
will not work especially while we all have days jobs <br>
</p>
<p>We need more RTT, We need more zoom meetings, we also need video
of the speakers, but not necessarily videos of the people who are
not speaking. The people who are speaking also must face the
camera. If you just have these videos it cuts down on the
bandwidth but also helps others relate and also helps people who
are lip reading be engaged.</p>
<p>Not sure how the regional meetings will work during COVID. I can
see international meetings maybe starting before regional ones but
I could be wrong.</p>
<p>these are just some of my thoughts</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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<div>On 12/8/2020 10:16 PM, Holly Raiche
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
And to add
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also question the value of networking in an online
context. Like Marita, I need breaks from screens. Real
networking is the F2F stuff - the give and take of a real
conversation over coffee or (after 5) something stronger. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And bandwidth is not just a south American/African
problem. Someone ask our ALAC chair about bandwidth on Cook
Islands!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another concern is that the meetings stretch over
time to cover weeks! People can take time off for a week or so
- but stretching over weeks when particularly AT-Large community
members have day jobs as well…... But yes - starting with a
regional hub meeting is positive- and at least people are in
roughly the same time zone.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Holly</div>
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">I agree with Ricardo's comments re: video. I
live in the middle of a city and sometimes I have to
turn video off as bandwidth gets thin. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">Re: networking -- I have little energy for
on-line networking/coffee breaks/socials during
extended virtual meetings. I usually need to get
away from the screen for awhile -- I know that
sounds boring, but unrelenting screen time is
mind-numbing. Perhaps there are tools which would
make it worthwhile, but I haven't seen them yet. I'd
rather see meeting shortened rather than networking
time increased.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">I am also wondering if the impact of
extensive vaccinations are taken into account. </font><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> It
is early days, but if the hype about millions of
doses being available in a few months has any
validity, this will change things again. </font>Should
there be a slow return to f2f mtgs, how would
vaccinations fit into the picture. I will definitely
be in line once I see an available line forming. But
there are sceptics. At some point, will co-vid
vaccinations be mandatory for those attending large
international meetings?<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times,
serif">Marita</font><br>
</p>
<div>On 12/8/2020 3:24 AM,
Ricardo Holmquist wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear Maureen,</div>
<div>I mostly agree with the document, I am
happy to see this 4 step approach, where a phase 1
will allow for regional hubs/regional meetings.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The points I am not agreeing with are
in the key findings, these are:<br>
</div>
<div> <span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-US"><span><span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US"><b><u>Increase
time for networking and develop better tools
to support networking opportunities during
virtual meetings.</u></b></span> </div>
<div>- My concern is networking, thus
pushing for regional hubs (phase 1 and 2), not
during virtual meetings. The networking in the
conference I was looking for is the one that
allows a small group to reach a consensus outside
the meeting, to elaborate a strategy, to find a
solution. Not networking to meet new people, yes
this one is also needed, but the first one is the
productive one.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> <span style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-US"><span><span><b><u> </u></b></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US"><b><u>Increase
visual/video/graphic elements and encourage
use of video cameras by all participants.</u></b></span>
</div>
<div>- The use of video cameras. I have not
seen a study on broadband with or without video,
but for any compression algorithm it won't be the
same to compress a presentation with voice, than
200 cameras, (or the same broadband needed to
share or not your own camera). This objective
sounds good when you have a nice broadband in your
house/office, but this is not the case for most
Latin America and African countries, not even so
in the outside larger cities in some developed
countries. Before going to take this measure, be
aware of the impact on internet connections. I
don't know if someone in this group already has
some findings on this.<br>
</div>
<div>Also, take steps before, like the use
of Zoom meetings vs webinars in the different
sessions. I felt particularly uncomfortable in the
ALAC - Board session, being a Zoom webinar, this
is supposed to be a close meeting.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hope this contributes to the
discussion</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ricardo Holmquist<br>
</div>
<span lang="EN-US"><span></span></span>
<div> </div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mar, 8 dic 2020
a las 4:48, Maureen Hilyard (<<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>>)
escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Attached is a paper that has
just arrived from David Olive as ICANN's
contribution to the revised schedule and
considerations relating to future ICANN
meetings. They would like feedback by Friday
18 December (no pressure!!)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would really appreciate some
feedback from ALAC and RALOs,that I can send
to ICANN Org to supplement the inputs from the
SOAC Chairs(-only) meeting which we are
holding this Weds (at the same time as the
CPWG meeting).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So if I could have some feedback
from any of you on this thread, I'd really
appreciate passing it on (the good, the bad
and the ugly!). Their 12-page document is
attached.</div>
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<div>M</div>
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