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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 23, 2020 10:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matthias M. Hudobnik<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ALT-Plus; ALAC<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:57 PM Matthias M. Hudobnik <<a href="mailto:matthias@hudobnik.at">matthias@hudobnik.at</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><i>"acts in the best interests"</i></b> and my second choice would be <b><i>“advances the interests of”</i></b>…!</span><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Jonathan Zuck<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 23. November 2020 08:40<br>
<b>An:</b> Evan Leibovitch; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond<br>
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report</span><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m in favor of getting as active a verb as we can manage without opening ourselves up to representational issues. I like “advances the interests of” for some such thing.<span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="color:black">ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>><br>
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<b>To: </b>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>, ALT-Plus <<a href="mailto:alt-plus@icann.org" target="_blank">alt-plus@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [ALAC] ALS Mobilization WP Final Report</span><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:9.5pt">Toronto Canada</span><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 08:20, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello all,<br>
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Indeed using "oversees" this could imply a matter of top down authority towards the community, which it does not have.<br>
In using "represents the interests", it goes further than "acts in the best interests", but it also opens the door to criticism that there are no procedures in place to ask every Internet user what they think, so it further exacerbates the issue of legitimacy.
Thus I would support "acts in the best interests"<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 22/11/2020 14:17, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank for first bringing this matter to our attention. It is an issue that Alan raised as one that should be dealt with before the report is accepted.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The two alternatives that I had originally been given as replacements for "oversee" were "advocate for" and "represent" ...<span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">But I see that your recommendations also include "represents the interests of" and "is the voice of".<span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#002E7A">I would like to thank the ALS Mobilization Working Party for their work and for the quality of their final report.</span><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Committee<span style="background:white">" or "</span>ALAC<span style="background:white">") is the primary organizational home within </span>ICANN<span style="background:white"> for individual Internet users » by "<span style="letter-spacing:.15pt">"The At-Large
Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC") <b>oversees</b> the At-Large Community which is the primary organizational home within ICANN for individual Internet users.</span></span><span style="letter-spacing:.15pt"> »</span></span><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#002E7A;letter-spacing:.15pt;background:white">The ALAC doesn't oversee the At-Large Community. 2/3 of its members are appointed by this community (RALOs), I
propose to modify this bylaws change proposal by the following: "The At-Large Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or "ALAC")<b> is the voice</b>
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or the BC or the IPC or the Registry …. communities. Any term that have the meaning of control or domination of the At-Large Community by </span><span style="color:#002E7A;letter-spacing:.15pt">ALAC wouldn’t be acceptable. Otherwise, I can live with any other
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