<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I agree with and support Olivier's comments.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Evan Leibovitch, <span style="font-size:12.8px">Toronto Canada</span></div><div style="text-align:left"><span style="font-size:12.8px">@evanleibovitch / </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">@el56</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 08:20, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Hello all,<br>
    <br>
    Indeed using "oversees" this could imply a matter of top down
    authority towards the community, which it does not have.<br>
    In using "represents the interests", it goes further than "acts in
    the best interests", but it also opens the door to criticism that
    there are no procedures in place to ask every Internet user what
    they think, so it further exacerbates the issue of legitimacy. Thus
    I would support "acts in the best interests"<br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 22/11/2020 14:17, Maureen Hilyard
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Dear Tijani</div>
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        <div>Thank for first bringing this matter to our attention. It
          is an issue that Alan raised as one that should be dealt with
          before the report is accepted.
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          <div dir="auto">The two alternatives that I had originally
            been given as replacements for "oversee" were "advocate for"
            and "represent" ...</div>
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          <div dir="auto">But I see that your recommendations also
            include "represents the interests of" and "is the voice of".</div>
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          <div dir="auto"> I will ask staff create a poll for the ALAC
            to pose the alternatives to be considered for their
            selection. Thank you again for your suggestions. </div>
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          <div dir="auto">Regards</div>
          <div dir="auto">Maureen</div>
          <br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 22 Nov 2020, 1:05
              am Tijani BEN JEMAA, <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><font color="#002e7a">Dear
                  Maureen and all,</font>
                <div><font color="#002e7a"><br>
                  </font></div>
                <div><font color="#002e7a">I would like to thank the ALS
                    Mobilization Working Party for their work and for
                    the quality of their final report.</font></div>
                <div><font color="#002e7a">I have a concern with the
                    proposal for Bylaws change to replace "<span style="background-color:white" lang="EN-US">The
                      At-Large </span><span lang="EN-US">Advisory
                      Committee</span><span style="background-color:white" lang="EN-US"> ("</span><span lang="EN-US">At-Large Advisory
                      Committee</span><span style="background-color:white" lang="EN-US">" or "</span><span lang="EN-US">ALAC</span><span style="background-color:white" lang="EN-US">") is
                      the primary organizational home within </span><span lang="EN-US">ICANN</span><span style="background-color:white" lang="EN-US"> for
                      individual Internet users » by "</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt;background-color:white">"The
                      At-Large Advisory
                      Committee ("At-Large Advisory Committee" or
                      "ALAC")
                      <b>oversees</b> the At-Large Community which is
                      the primary
                      organizational home within ICANN for individual
                      Internet users.</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.2px"> »</span></font></div>
                <div><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt;background-color:white"><font color="#002e7a"><br>
                    </font></span></div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#002e7a"><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt;background-color:white" lang="EN-US">The ALAC doesn't oversee the
                        At-Large Community. 2/3
                        of its members are appointed by this community
                        (RALOs),  I propose to
                        modify this bylaws change proposal by the
                        following:</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> "The
                        At-Large Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory
                        Committee" or "ALAC")<b> is the voice</b> <b>of
                        </b>the At-Large Community which is the primary
                        organizational home within ICANN for individual
                        Internet users.</span><span style="background-color:white"><span style="letter-spacing:0.2px"> »</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt"> or "The
                          At-Large
                          Advisory Committee ("At-Large Advisory
                          Committee" or
                          "ALAC") <b>represents the interests of</b>
                          the At-Large Community which is
                          the primary organizational home within ICANN
                          for individual Internet
                          users.</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.2px"> »</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt"> </span></span></font></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background-color:white"><font color="#002e7a"><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt">The term </span><span style="letter-spacing:0.2px">« </span><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt">oversees</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.2px"> »</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt"> is not
                          appropriate. It is as if you say the GNSO
                          council oversees the NCSG or NCUC or NPOC or
                          the BC or the IPC or the Registry </span><span style="letter-spacing:0.2px">…</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.15pt">. communities.
                          Any term that have the meaning of control or
                          domination of the </span></font></span><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);letter-spacing:0.2px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">At-Large
                      Community by </span><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);letter-spacing:0.15pt">ALAC
                       wouldn</span><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);letter-spacing:0.2px">’</span><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);letter-spacing:0.15pt">t
                      be acceptable. Otherwise, I can live with any
                      other word.</span></p>
                  <div>Best</div>
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