<div dir="ltr"><div>Greetings colleagues,</div><div><br></div><div>Great discussion going on here. While most of us are in this for the greater good 'Internet for everyone' measuring what it takes would be really helpful in determining how our output can be improved. This discussion is a step in the right direction. Maybe a short survey to gauge our motivations would be ideal to tease out some of the nuances alluded to by <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="plusReplyChip-3" href="mailto:dndannang@gmail.com" tabindex="-1">@DANIEL NANGHAKA</a> (Maslows school of thought). This information will certainly be valuable to ICANN Org as they seek to improve ways of strengthening the Capacity of the Community.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 8:01 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA <<a href="mailto:dndannang@gmail.com">dndannang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The discussion is so strong about Volunteer motivation. Probably we should be asking what is the motivational factor behind the high levels of Volunteer engagement amidst the challenges that they encounter in their day to day lives, whether job or families or social factors. <div>According to Maslows theory of Motivation - Maslow proposed that motivation is the result of a person's attempt at fulfilling five basic needs: physiological, safety, social, esteem and self-actualization. According to Maslow, these needs can create internal pressures that can influence a person's behavior. This I believe also applies to our volunteer community. </div><div>The Pandemic has also shown the value that the org has on volunteers. </div><div>Is the volunteering based on the travel Perk, this varies on any volunteer. Many groan with pain and fear speak about their pain on the record. <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="gmail-m_6493194760057983712plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank">@Glenn McKnight</a> has a very good experience of this. And yet Volunteer effort is sometimes abused. </div><div>There is a need to revisit the value of volunteers and also how Volunteers can be motivated in this community. </div><div><br></div><div>Daniel </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 04:21, Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The record will show my position on volunteer time etc. etc. etc. I am on record stating my unalterable position that without a value for both time and treasure injected by volunteers, the costs as published for the ICANN world are largely under-reported. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">At the risk at getting into a cass-cass, I summarily reject these notions for cause: a) we cannot put a value on volunteer time b) that travel for ICANN meetings is a perk c) any attempt to place a value on volunteer time is a third rail in ICANN politics.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Rational minds would not wish to argue that there are volunteers whose compensated day job is to participate in names and numbers policy development. If you have been around for a few years you would know some. I have sat, shoulder to shoulder, with people compensated in the high 6-figures to do what we are doing. It is irrefutable that there are volunteers, such as I am, who are not paid to participate. So it becomes a measure of intellectual dishonesty to deny the facts as we know them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I am a knowledge worker. I acquire knowledge about this and that, package and sell to the highest bidder for fee. I have before now mocked how so easy it is, for example, to give an estimate of the effort in time to be an ALAC member. But all of a sudden yet sentient people contemplating an algorithm that places a value on even that time commitment become cockeyed. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Very strange indeed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Carlton </div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>==============================<br><i><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Carlton A Samuels</font></i><br><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><i>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i></font><br>=============================</div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 2:00 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
"travel is a perk" is a derogatory way of referring to the ALAC.<br>
If I was to bill every hour that I spend volunteering for At-Large
and the days spent at ICANN meetings, I would have enough money in
my pocket to go to better places, better hotels and do better things
than staying in a windowless, frozen room for 10 hours a day. I
don't do that because a. I believe in making a difference and b. I
enjoy the company of people that have become friends<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div>On 18/09/2020 20:38, Maureen Hilyard
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Alan
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">LOL. I should have put the "exotic places"
comment in speech marks because that is the perception of many
- that travel is a perk. And some take time before or after
meetings to take advantage of the venue wherever it is. This
could be considered a reward. I have done the same with
colleagues myself thanks to ICANN. But for me the real bonus
of attending an ICANN meeting has been the chance to spend any
down-time with colleagues who have now become friends,
wherever the meeting takes place.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">It has already been hinted that the pandemic has
changed the way ICANN meetings will look in the future. How do
we see it will be? </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">M</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 18 Sep 2020, 8:01 am
Alan Greenberg, <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Maureen,
please do not say things like "But what replaces our more <br>
accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting
in some <br>
exotic place around the world?"!!<br>
<br>
I am sure that for some, it is quite true that they volunteer
for the <br>
travel rewards, but it is NOT the case for many, and it
reflects SO <br>
BADLY on us.<br>
<br>
I have been to MANY exotic places on ICANN's dime. only rarely
have I <br>
taken the time to experience them. And I have been to MANY
places <br>
that I had no interest in visiting. If every ICANN meeting
were held <br>
at a Los Angeles airport hotel, my attendance would not be
different, <br>
and I suspect that is the same for you.<br>
<br>
So let's not encourage the concept that we consider travel a
reward.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
<br>
At 2020-09-17 09:02 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<br>
>Hi everyone<br>
><br>
>I noted that in the threads related to discussions with
Goran (and <br>
>wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were
references made to <br>
>matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I
am bending <br>
>towards using this interaction with Goran as an
opportunity to <br>
>address some of our workload issues related to ICANN
meetings and <br>
>our work with ICANN in general.<br>
><br>
>I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon
after, had <br>
>an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion
(as one of <br>
>his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the
workload <br>
>issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN
should <br>
>look at how they might appropriately recognise the work
that is <br>
>being done by some very active At-Large participants at
their own <br>
>cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as
well as the <br>
>intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all
for the <br>
>benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.<br>
><br>
>Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people
are expected <br>
>to have such a high level of input into an important
organisational <br>
>output, for free? Especially in light of what many are
also <br>
>experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the
impacts it <br>
>is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across
ICANN remain <br>
>committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But
what <br>
>replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of
attending an <br>
>ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In
the middle <br>
>of a pandemic, do we have any answers?<br>
><br>
>Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload
survey, <br>
>and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this
week, was <br>
>the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things
may have <br>
>to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you
have any <br>
>suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would
be happy <br>
>to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you
can't find <br>
>it. The discussion should be interesting.<br>
><br>
>Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will
be giving <br>
>his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have
further <br>
>news on the Internet Grant.<br>
><br>
>Comments welcome.<br>
>Maureen<br>
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