<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">The record will show my position on volunteer time etc. etc. etc. I am on record stating my unalterable position that without a value for both time and treasure injected by volunteers, the costs as published for the ICANN world are largely under-reported. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">At the risk at getting into a cass-cass, I summarily reject these notions for cause: a) we cannot put a value on volunteer time b) that travel for ICANN meetings is a perk c) any attempt to place a value on volunteer time is a third rail in ICANN politics.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Rational minds would not wish to argue that there are volunteers whose compensated day job is to participate in names and numbers policy development. If you have been around for a few years you would know some. I have sat, shoulder to shoulder, with people compensated in the high 6-figures to do what we are doing. It is irrefutable that there are volunteers, such as I am, who are not paid to participate. So it becomes a measure of intellectual dishonesty to deny the facts as we know them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I am a knowledge worker. I acquire knowledge about this and that, package and sell to the highest bidder for fee. I have before now mocked how so easy it is, for example, to give an estimate of the effort in time to be an ALAC member. But all of a sudden yet sentient people contemplating an algorithm that places a value on even that time commitment become cockeyed. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Very strange indeed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Carlton </div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>==============================<br><i><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Carlton A Samuels</font></i><br><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><i>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i></font><br>=============================</div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 2:00 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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"travel is a perk" is a derogatory way of referring to the ALAC.<br>
If I was to bill every hour that I spend volunteering for At-Large
and the days spent at ICANN meetings, I would have enough money in
my pocket to go to better places, better hotels and do better things
than staying in a windowless, frozen room for 10 hours a day. I
don't do that because a. I believe in making a difference and b. I
enjoy the company of people that have become friends<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div>On 18/09/2020 20:38, Maureen Hilyard
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Alan
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">LOL. I should have put the "exotic places"
comment in speech marks because that is the perception of many
- that travel is a perk. And some take time before or after
meetings to take advantage of the venue wherever it is. This
could be considered a reward. I have done the same with
colleagues myself thanks to ICANN. But for me the real bonus
of attending an ICANN meeting has been the chance to spend any
down-time with colleagues who have now become friends,
wherever the meeting takes place.</div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto">It has already been hinted that the pandemic has
changed the way ICANN meetings will look in the future. How do
we see it will be? </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">M</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 18 Sep 2020, 8:01 am
Alan Greenberg, <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Maureen,
please do not say things like "But what replaces our more <br>
accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting
in some <br>
exotic place around the world?"!!<br>
<br>
I am sure that for some, it is quite true that they volunteer
for the <br>
travel rewards, but it is NOT the case for many, and it
reflects SO <br>
BADLY on us.<br>
<br>
I have been to MANY exotic places on ICANN's dime. only rarely
have I <br>
taken the time to experience them. And I have been to MANY
places <br>
that I had no interest in visiting. If every ICANN meeting
were held <br>
at a Los Angeles airport hotel, my attendance would not be
different, <br>
and I suspect that is the same for you.<br>
<br>
So let's not encourage the concept that we consider travel a
reward.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
<br>
At 2020-09-17 09:02 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<br>
>Hi everyone<br>
><br>
>I noted that in the threads related to discussions with
Goran (and <br>
>wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were
references made to <br>
>matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I
am bending <br>
>towards using this interaction with Goran as an
opportunity to <br>
>address some of our workload issues related to ICANN
meetings and <br>
>our work with ICANN in general.<br>
><br>
>I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon
after, had <br>
>an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion
(as one of <br>
>his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the
workload <br>
>issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN
should <br>
>look at how they might appropriately recognise the work
that is <br>
>being done by some very active At-Large participants at
their own <br>
>cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as
well as the <br>
>intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all
for the <br>
>benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.<br>
><br>
>Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people
are expected <br>
>to have such a high level of input into an important
organisational <br>
>output, for free? Especially in light of what many are
also <br>
>experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the
impacts it <br>
>is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across
ICANN remain <br>
>committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But
what <br>
>replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of
attending an <br>
>ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In
the middle <br>
>of a pandemic, do we have any answers?<br>
><br>
>Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload
survey, <br>
>and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this
week, was <br>
>the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things
may have <br>
>to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you
have any <br>
>suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would
be happy <br>
>to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you
can't find <br>
>it. The discussion should be interesting.<br>
><br>
>Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will
be giving <br>
>his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have
further <br>
>news on the Internet Grant.<br>
><br>
>Comments welcome.<br>
>Maureen<br>
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