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I very much agree with Alan. Travel is necessary part of our volunteer work, not a reward. However exotic the venues, we’re mostly sitting in windowless rooms and actually working. Plus spending days in transit to get there and back.
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<div class="PlainText">Maureen, please do not say things like "But what replaces our more
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accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some <br class="">
exotic place around the world?"!!<br class="">
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I am sure that for some, it is quite true that they volunteer for the <br class="">
travel rewards, but it is NOT the case for many, and it reflects SO <br class="">
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I have been to MANY exotic places on ICANN's dime. only rarely have I <br class="">
taken the time to experience them. And I have been to MANY places <br class="">
that I had no interest in visiting. If every ICANN meeting were held <br class="">
at a Los Angeles airport hotel, my attendance would not be different, <br class="">
and I suspect that is the same for you.<br class="">
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At 2020-09-17 09:02 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<br class="">
>Hi everyone<br class="">
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>I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and <br class="">
>wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to <br class="">
>matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending <br class="">
>towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to <br class="">
>address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and <br class="">
>our work with ICANN in general.<br class="">
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>I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had <br class="">
>an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of <br class="">
>his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload <br class="">
>issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should <br class="">
>look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is <br class="">
>being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own <br class="">
>cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the <br class="">
>intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the <br class="">
>benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.<br class="">
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>Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected <br class="">
>to have such a high level of input into an important organisational <br class="">
>output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also <br class="">
>experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it <br class="">
>is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain <br class="">
>committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what <br class="">
>replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an <br class="">
>ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle <br class="">
>of a pandemic, do we have any answers?<br class="">
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>Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, <br class="">
>and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was <br class="">
>the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have <br class="">
>to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any <br class="">
>suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy <br class="">
>to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find <br class="">
>it. The discussion should be interesting.<br class="">
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>Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving <br class="">
>his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further <br class="">
>news on the Internet Grant.<br class="">
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>Comments welcome.<br class="">
>Maureen<br class="">
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