<div dir="auto">Totally agree. It's a team effort. Power to the people!!<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">M</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, 3:13 PM Greg Shatan, <<a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org">greg@isoc-ny.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Maureen and all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree with Roberto, and would perhaps go even further. The best solution would be to have a voting seat on the PIR board, rather than a non-voting liaison. I'm not sure which Roberto was suggesting. To my mind, true "representation" comes with a vote..</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I also agree with everything Jonathan Zuck said -- about the mission, about Malthouse, about that "editorial." Nasty stuff. An appropriate response needs to be considered, but I'm not sure what that might be. It might be a message from someone else in At Large, pointing out that in a bottom-up organization, it's not the Chair's job to go flying into battle on their own impetus. Or maybe it can come from a bunch of somebodies....</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">However, I'm concerned that if ALAC and At-large do not speak for themselves, the "record" is going to be the garbage that is being thrown at us.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There are more important things than a pissing match in the toilet of public opinion.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We have ALAC's "superpower" -- the mandate to provide formal advice to the Board. (Not quite as "super" as GAC advice, but it's what we've got, and if it is exercised properly, it will grow in strength, like a muscle.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Then we can go into toilets with Jacob and Nat....</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Greg Shatan</font><div><a href="mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">greg@isoc-ny.org</font></a></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">President, ISOC-NY</font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><i>"The Internet is for everyone"</i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 2:10 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
indeed - the DotMobi Liaison was on the DotMobi Policy Advisory
Board. But IMHO Roberto's suggestion for a Liaison to the PIR Board
sounds good.<br>
For those interested, DotMobi Liaison Reports can be found on:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/dotMOBI+Liaison+Reports" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/dotMOBI+Liaison+Reports</a><br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
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<div>On 06/01/2020 11:24, Maureen Hilyard
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Excellent points Roberto.
<div>Your experience on the PIR Board is invaluable in this
regard. and your recommendations noted.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Maureen</div>
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<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:02
AM Roberto Gaetano <<a href="mailto:mail.roberto.gaetano@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mail.roberto.gaetano@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Hi Maureen.
<div>I have been thinking further about this, and came to
the conclusion that our proposal would be not to have a
representative on the Stewardship Council but on the PIR
Board.</div>
<div>Here is the rationale for that.</div>
<div>The Stewardship Council will play the role that was
previously of the Advisory Council. Its purpose was to get
multiple voices from different part of the user community,
and in particular the NGOs, ensuring diversity of
opinions. This body was advisory to a Board that had
already built-in the fundamental non-profit,
user-community DNA, because it was selected by ISOC.</div>
<div>With the changed situation, we can safely assume that
the new PIR Board will be selected by Ethos to take care
of the interests of the investors, and there is no
guarantee that the public interest is being taken care of.</div>
<div>This will be a good option for Ethos as well, because
it would show in a concrete way the commitment to the
public interest beyond mere verbal expression of intents.
On the other hand, Ethos and the investors would keep a
solid majority that will ensure that their interests are
protected.</div>
<div>We should remember that while the Advisory Council was
surely empowered to provide advice, and was surely
listened to, a Director would have access to more
information and definitively better opportunities to
discuss different ideas and approaches with his/her fellow
Directors, therefore presenting the point of view of the
public interest more effectively.</div>
<div>In short, this person wold play a role that is similar
to the one that León plays in ICANN: committed to the
fiduciary responsibility to the corporation but able to be
a strong voice to the discussion.</div>
<div>I think that we should not be shy, all in remaining
reasonable with our proposals. I believe that this one is
a win-win, bringing the voice of the user community in PIR
and being a good opportunity for Ethos to show a
commitment while still remaining in control of PIR.</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Roberto</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>PS: As I am not subscribed to the different mailing
lists, please forward this if you see fit</div>
<div><br>
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<div>On 06.01.2020, at 01:40, Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr"> <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_activate_icann_at_large/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_activate_icann_at_large/</a><br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Well that is certainly forcing our hand to
take some action. But with arrows flying in all
sorts of directions it has been difficult to
know which one to follow, and I note there has
been a break in the conversations on this topic.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Interesting and very timely that Roberto
raised the .org issue again in an earlier email
today. I started a response until JZ reminded us
that the thread was about .com </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree with Roberto's approach - that we
should focus on our role as the voice of
At-Large end-users and offer some creative
advice on how we might influence the behaviour
of PIR and any future decisions they make that
will impact on .org end-users. PIR/Ethos already
presented a webinar and said all the right
things.. but how can we be assured that they
will stick to what they said that they would do
in the future? Who will monitor this on behalf
of ordinary end-users? Who will be represented
on the Stewardship Council?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At the same time we may also need to advise
the ICANN Board about how they might deal with
the ICANN-PIR/Ethos contract - especially
Roberto's recommendation of <span>some </span><span>commitment
from ICANN that ethical behaviour towards .org
end-users will be built into it.</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div>We are aware that the Board is looking into
every legal issue relating to how they can deal
with matters that are being raised by letters
that are flowing their way. We don't need to add
more of the same.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While i think it might be seen to be a
simplistic approach, I believe that we should
stick to what our job is and focus on advice to
the Board and to PIR- but lets try to be
creative about how we advise them, looking at
the impacts on end-users from all perspectives.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My 2c</div>
<div>M<br>
</div>
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