This is dangerous and needs clear documentation of the scenario based on global names and geographical reach out<br><br>On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, Glenn McKnight <<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">HI Satish and Olivier <div>I recall asking Joly and Judith if they were submitted the ISOC Special Needs SIG which was originally a NARALO ALS that went in decommission. It too faced the same issues. The organizers are mainly in North America but membership open to all. <br>I think all the Special Interest Groups have a similar situation . </div><div>G<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Glenn McKnight</div><div dir="ltr">NARALO Secretariat<br><a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://toronto.ieee.ca/" target="_blank">http://toronto.ieee.ca/</a></div><div dir="ltr">IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair </div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:glenn.mcknight@ieee.org" target="_blank">glenn.mcknight@ieee.org</a><br>skype gmcknight<br>twitter gmcknight</div><div>289-830 6259<br>.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:27 PM Satish Babu via ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Olivier,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for raising this point. During the due diligence process, we had discussed precisely this point in the APRALO list, and had asked Staff to re-verify the geographical aspect.</div><div><br></div><div>The responses we received from the applicant through Staff were as follows:<br></div><div><br></div><div>a. The applicant is registered as a not-for-profit in India</div><div><br></div><div>b. All office bearers of the organization are based in Asia-Pacific, as are apparently majority of the members.</div><div><br></div><div>c. We considered the following section from ICANN's bylaws:</div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">(B) who are citizens or
residents of countries within the Geographic Region of the RALO<b> will
predominate in the operation </b>of each At-Large Structure within the RALO,
while not necessarily excluding additional participation, compatible
with the interests of the individual Internet users within the region,
by others.</span></div><div><br></div></div><div>d. On this basis, we have proceeded to recommend admission of this applicant to ALAC. <br><div>Of course, we have not independently verified the information they have provided, but have taken it on trust.</div></div><div><br></div><div>I also note that we have put on hold an application for membership from another ISOC SIG, because they could not confirm if they had met the above criterion. </div><div><br></div><div>I hope this helps.</div><div><br></div><div>With kind regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>satish<br></div><div><br></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:44 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Dear Maureen,<br>
<br>
I am very surprised to see this having reached the ALAC with a
recommendation from APRALO that this should be accepted. This should
have been picked up at Due Diligence: Internet Society Special
Interest Groups are global as per the explanation on
<a href="https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/sigs</a><br>
This countervenes ALAC rules which specify that ALSes must be
geographical. See <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-2013-07" target="_blank">tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-<wbr>2013-07</a><br>
<br>
"2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users
who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic
Region in which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS'
operation. The ALS may permit additional participation by others
that is compatible with the interests of the individual Internet
users within the region."<br>
<br>
The key words are "be organised" - and as much as I support the work
of the Internet Society Rurel Special Interest Group, rural areas
are not limited to Asia. Unless there is a commitment that this SIG
will restrict the majority of its membership to come from the Asia
region. The explicit response of the SIG in due diligence was "this
is a global SIG".<br>
<br>
I also have a concern that it would be possible to create one SIG
after another in ISOC and the meaning of ALS no longer applies as
you are effectively creating votes.<br>
<br>
The question of "geographical" was asked on the APRALO mailing list
as recently as 11 September 2019 (
<a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/apac-discuss/2019-September/004952.html" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.<wbr>org/pipermail/apac-discuss/<wbr>2019-September/004952.html</a>
) but I do not see any response to this.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<div>On 18/09/2019 01:58, ICANN At-Large
Staff wrote:<br>
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All,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The
regional advice from APRALO regarding the ALS Application
(307) Internet Society Rural Development Special
Interest Group has been received.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The
following question has been posed to the ALAC:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">*****</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Question:
Does the ALAC wish to accredit the (307) Internet Society
Rural Development Special Interest Group? The
regional advice was to accept the application.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">*****</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Please
note that this vote will close on Tuesday, 24 September 2019
23:59 UTC.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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