<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Hi Olivier<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Maybe the rules need changing. Just because a group has members from all over the world, why should we stop them from becoming members of At-Large.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The group currently had a leadership team whose members are all resident in the APRALO region. They are one of the few applications that I have seen that actually mentioned the DNS. As an ISOC chapter focusing on rural development, it probably has a majority of members from APRALO if all of its leadership team is from the same region.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since our current rules only note the primary and secondary members of an ALS regardless of who is most active in our work in At-Large, when it comes to who the other members are, no-one really bothers to ask. I would hazard a guess that if we were to do an analysis
(and were to be so picky)
we would have several groups that have global members.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><u>If we get active participants out of this ALS</u> we should count ourselves lucky. That is the whole point of our ALS recruitment process. And as part of our Review we are finding that many of our processes need updating to keep up with the changing needs of the environments we are having to deal with.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">EURALO itself has been faced with an anomaly which does not fit the rules, but we have found LACRALO to be very obliging to cater for it. And as we revise our ALS Criteria and Expectations we will have to include a new "rule" that allows for ALSes to participate in an event on a neighbouring country that "does not belong to the region in which they are situated". BIKLAB is now a precedent which will allow this to happen more within our system as long as there is agreement between the regions concerned.</div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">APRALO has many small island countries in the Pacific that have been unable to participate in ICANN activities in their own right under our current rules because they are territories of big power countries (mainly in EURALO) who are given no support from their home region and would have no idea what EURALO was. Pacific countries are an anomaly because as all the 22 countries and territories of the Pacific are members of the Pacific Forum, they are therefore members of PICISOC, so in fact are members of an ALS already -- so we have international participants in our membership, even though they live in the Pacific.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>Maureen</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 17 Sep 2019, 3:14 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Dear Maureen,<br>
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I am very surprised to see this having reached the ALAC with a
recommendation from APRALO that this should be accepted. This should
have been picked up at Due Diligence: Internet Society Special
Interest Groups are global as per the explanation on
<a class="gmail-m_1080605150564773619m_-8092504389091539687moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs</a><br>
This countervenes ALAC rules which specify that ALSes must be
geographical. See <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-2013-07" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-2013-07</a><br>
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"2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users
who are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic
Region in which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS'
operation. The ALS may permit additional participation by others
that is compatible with the interests of the individual Internet
users within the region."<br>
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The key words are "be organised" - and as much as I support the work
of the Internet Society Rurel Special Interest Group, rural areas
are not limited to Asia. Unless there is a commitment that this SIG
will restrict the majority of its membership to come from the Asia
region. The explicit response of the SIG in due diligence was "this
is a global SIG".<br>
<br>
I also have a concern that it would be possible to create one SIG
after another in ISOC and the meaning of ALS no longer applies as
you are effectively creating votes.<br>
<br>
The question of "geographical" was asked on the APRALO mailing list
as recently as 11 September 2019 (
<a class="gmail-m_1080605150564773619m_-8092504389091539687moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/apac-discuss/2019-September/004952.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/apac-discuss/2019-September/004952.html</a>
) but I do not see any response to this.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_1080605150564773619m_-8092504389091539687moz-cite-prefix">On 18/09/2019 01:58, ICANN At-Large
Staff wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The
regional advice from APRALO regarding the ALS Application
(307) Internet Society Rural Development Special
Interest Group has been received.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The
following question has been posed to the ALAC:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">*****</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Question:
Does the ALAC wish to accredit the (307) Internet Society
Rural Development Special Interest Group? The
regional advice was to accept the application.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">*****</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Please
note that this vote will close on Tuesday, 24 September 2019
23:59 UTC.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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