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Hello all,<br>
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interesting discussion, as usual.<br>
I think that the problem is not whether the multistakeholder model
is better or worse than the multilateral model. The problem is that
the multistakeholder model needs to be balanced. In my view, the
ICANN multistakeholder model is not balanced - it puts too much
power in contracted and commercial parties that have DNS-related
business and not enough in end users and governments - both of which
are advisory committees. The CCWG Accountability process has
reinforced the power of SOs at the expense of ACs - since the Board
has less power to balance out stakeholder points.<br>
As a result we are at a risk that Thomas Schneider, previous GAC
Chair, once said in the discussions on CCWG Accountability, which
was that from time to time, you need to let the GAC have its way
otherwise governments will find that this is not the location for
them to be involved in DNS policy. Instead they'll leave and go to
the ITU or the UN or elsewhere and ICANN will lose its
multistakeholder status. When he said that he was accused of
spreading FUD by contracted parties and NCSG. Oh, the venom that
poor Thomas collected for saying this... :-)<br>
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What happens next is anyone's guess.<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/03/2019 08:03, Joanna Kulesza
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<div>Hi Evan and all,</div>
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<div>thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm wondering if this
implies we should get rid of ICANN/multistakeholderism? Is
there a better alternative to governing the global network? If
so, what is it? I am well aware that governments (some more
than others) are just waiting for ICANN to fail and are eager
to take over where we leave it off. Is that what you're
referring to? Should we just give up, cos MS is a faulty model
in itself? I'm genuinely interested.</div>
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<div>Thank you,</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">czw., 28 lut 2019 o 17:34 Evan
Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">evan@telly.org</a>> napisał(a):<br>
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style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I'm
not so sure that I see the controversy, as I generally
agree with Ayden's view of ICANN.</div>
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was at the first-ever Canadian IGF yesterday, whose
keynote was Elliot Noss triumphantly glowing over the
power of multistakeholderism to put governments in their
place. It was all I could do to break out laughing. The
raw sense of entitlement, and the assertion that the
"community" that shows up at ICANN meetings is the only
one that matters in Internet decision making is ludicrous,
and is maintained at high risk.</div>
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style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">What
ICANN calls governance can best be described not as
multistakeholderism so much as "the inmates are running
the asylum". In a later Canadian IGF session on
disinfirmation, the head of policy at Facebook Canada went
into the "trust us, we're doing all we can" mantra that
many of us have heard so many times. The pattern is
unambiguous, whether it's Facebook, Tucows or anyone else
in the "community". Left to govern themselves, the
Internet is becoming less safe in its content and less
safe in its infrastructure.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">So,
again,. please indicate what's so shocking in what Ayden
said. I may not share the common view of who the "bad
actors" are.</div>
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Evan</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at
09:55, Bastiaan Goslings <<a
href="mailto:bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net</a>>
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0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Thanks,
John - interesting<br>
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Just to make it a bit easier to see what this is about:<br>
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href="https://twitter.com/ferdeline/status/1101040922995949569"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/ferdeline/status/1101040922995949569</a><br>
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Which is in response to <a
href="https://edri.org/icann-and-gdpr-nowhere-near-compliance/"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">https://edri.org/icann-and-gdpr-nowhere-near-compliance/</a><br>
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regards<br>
Bastiaan<br>
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> On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:36, John Laprise <<a
href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I didn't expect Ayden to publicly admit to being a
bad actor.<br>
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> --<br>
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