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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Fully agree that "security and freedom is nearly
always valued over privacy". No further comments.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Kaili</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org
href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org">Jonathan Zuck</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>To:</B> <A title=bartlett.morgan@gmail.com
href="mailto:bartlett.morgan@gmail.com">Bartlett Morgan</A> ; <A
title=ocl@gih.com href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond</A> ; <A
title=alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 07, 2018 8:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ALAC] What do users want?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>And there’s a lot to unpack when we talk about
“privacy.” If we’ve asked someone if “privacy” is important to them,
they have always said yes but their behavior had not reflected that. Very
often privacy is being conflated with security and “free” is nearly always
valued over privacy.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From:</B> ALAC <<A
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bartlett Morgan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 7,
2018 5:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<A
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</A>>; <A
href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [ALAC] What do users want?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks for raising this Alan,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>This is a useful discussion which goes to the core of our
mission. <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Re Olivier’s point, I would say the question of privacy is
(in real terms) implicit in the notion of safety as outlined in Alan’s
original list. That is, if privacy is important to you (and lets face it, with
us millennials that is a BIG if) then your decision to use the internet (or a
particular internet service) would now be a question of whether you think its
safe to engage or not given the privacy implications. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>-<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Bart<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Sent from <A
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>From: </B><A href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond</A><BR><B>Sent: </B>Tuesday, November 6, 2018 7:26 PM<BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</A><BR><B>Subject:
</B>Re: [ALAC] What do users want?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Thanks for the nugget
indeed.<BR><BR>However I would say that one major thing is changing in
particular about privacy, which does not figure in your list.<BR><BR>The 2018
CIGI-Ipsos Global Survey on Internet Security and Trust findings show
that over half of internet users surveyed around the world are more concerned
about their online privacy than they were a year ago, reflecting growing
concern around the world about online privacy and the power of social media
platforms. <BR>See: <A
href="https://www.cigionline.org/internet-survey-2018">https://www.cigionline.org/internet-survey-2018</A>
<BR><BR>And Trust:<BR><A
href="https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/digital-distrust-we-re-losing-faith-in-technology-to-solve-the-world-s-problems/">https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/digital-distrust-we-re-losing-faith-in-technology-to-solve-the-world-s-problems/</A><BR><BR>The
GAFAs have managed to reach commercial success, but they are currently
suffering from allegedly not being able to address Privacy and Trust. It is
fascinating to see them fumble their way through these topics, in contrast
with their well developed commercial plans spanning their first two decades of
existence.<BR>Let's hope that ICANN does not fall into this trap
too.<BR><BR>Kindest regards,<BR><BR>Olivier<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 06/11/2018 21:45, Alan Greenberg
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"><PRE>I am taking advantage of my new "freedom" to do some long overdue <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>cleanup. I found a short handwritten document I wrote about 10 years <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>ago (after I had been involved with the ALAC for a year or two) on <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>what Internet users want.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>Note that a lot of this is far beyond the remit of ICANN, but other <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>parts are not.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>=================<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>Users want an experience that is:<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>-Satisfying<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>-Safe<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>-Predictable<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>-Easy to access and fast<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>In a bit more detail, this means:<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>- Pages display properly<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>- No SPAM<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>- No Phishing<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>- Reproducible<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>- Mail gets delivered<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>- Fast enough that speed is not an issue.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>Another was of looking at is as an embodiment of the Principle of <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>Least Astonishment <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>(<A href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishment">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishment</A>).<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>They have no desire to know anything about Internet Governance. And <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>most have no interest in how the Internet actually works. A classic <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>quote from Arthur C. Clarke is "Any sufficiently advanced technology <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>is indistinguishable from magic." It doesn't matter how or why it <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>works, as long as it works.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE> From my personal experience, I have been involved in the Internet <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>for about 30 years. Due to the travel I have done, or other times it <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>comes up in conversation, I have often been asked what I am doing. If <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>I try to explain, the most common result is that their eyes glaze <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>over, they say "oh, that's interesting" and they try to find a way to <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>change the subject.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>ALAC mailing list<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><A href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><A href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>At-Large Online: <A href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>ALAC Working Wiki: <A href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P><PRE>-- <o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><A href="http://www.gih.com/ocl.html">http://www.gih.com/ocl.html</A><o:p></o:p></PRE>
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