<div dir="auto"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 14 Oct 2018, 05:36 Alan Greenberg, <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4685981140530336569m_3168561158030091682cite"><dd>. <br>
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<dd>19.11.8 - I like the inclusion but i believe the interpretation of
abstain needs to be reviewed. That someone abstain should not imply a No
as we currently practice. It should simply mean the person does not care
hence should not be counted in the total valid votes but should be part
of total cast.</dd></blockquote><br>
<dd>The current rules are very clear about what the winning condition is
(50% of votes cast) so I don't feel comfortable changing those words. A
change could certainly be possible in the future. For the moment, we
should focus on saying there should be an Abstain, or not (once can
always not vote).<br><br>
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SO: Well Abstain in this case has weighting hence i don't think it can
only be a matter of having it or not, but if that is what you like us to
focus on then I prefer we do not include abstain then.</dd></blockquote><br>
<font color="#0000FF">Will flag for discussion in Barcelona. Since you
will not be there, Please send a message to me or to the ALAC list for
presentation there.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><font color="#0000FF"><br>
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<dd></dd></dl></blockquote></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">SO: Can you let me know the kind of mail/message you'd like me to send? as I already sent my view about this on this thread.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4685981140530336569m_3168561158030091682cite"><dl>
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<dd>ALAC (bullet 8,9) - Am not sure who periodic affirmation mean, can
you clarify your intention? Is it just to check with the individual if
they still like to remain subscribed? if yes then i think there should be
a definite period for that.</dd></blockquote><br>
<dd>The theory when we wrote this was that annually we would ask. But the
list of such people is long and doing it annually would be a big chore
(and in practice we do not get around to it. Thus the suggested change.
It is rare that someone has asked to be taken off (and they always could
at any time), so the impact is minimal.<br><br>
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SO: Okay actually changing from annually to periodic may give an
impression of much more frequent check, if an annual check is cumbersome,
its better this is stated to be done within every 2 years. <br>
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<dd>ALAC-Internal (bullet 3) - I honestly feel the ALAC list is too large
and i don't think bullet point 3 should be included as i don't see the
added value. At best i think only the liasons should be
included</dd></blockquote><br>
<dd>This is no change from the current practice - it just uses a new term
not defined at the time this document was originally written and moves
some from the last bullet to the third. The only current advisors who are
not Liaisons are past ALAC Chairs.<br><br>
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SO: Hmm....lets just say the current practice of growing the ALAC
internal list is what I was also indirectly commenting on; I feel that
including the entire 3.5(particularly 3.5.3 and 3.5.5) as members of
internal-list is un-necessary and perhaps defeats the internal nature of
it. </blockquote><br>
<font color="#0000FF">You will have to be clearer here. Are you saying
that the w/3 non-titled ALT members (3.5.3) are ALAC members and ALT
members but should not be members of the ALAC-Internal list??<br><br>
<br><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">SO: Okay am clear about 3.5.3(though it's already covered in first bullet point) but then 3.5.5 will be the only group then that does not have to be on the internal list.</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">Regards</div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4685981140530336569m_3168561158030091682cite"><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4685981140530336569m_3168561158030091682cite"><dl><dd>Line 34 - Is it referring to communication on the list or the
information of the mailman itself?</dd></dl></blockquote><br>
<dd>Communications on the list.<br><br>
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SO: Okay kindly include that word communication somewhere in the
sentence<br><br>
Cheers!<br>
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<dd>Alan<br><br>
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<dd>Regards<br><br>
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</dd><dd>On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:46 PM Alan Greenberg
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> wrote:
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<dd>As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC,
I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of
overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated
documents.<br>
</dd><dd>To summarize, our overall rule set includes:<br>
</dd><dd>Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications
and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in
line with current practices.<br><br>
</dd><dd>Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members,
Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in
relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)<br>
</dd><dd>Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC
Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is
needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.<br>
</dd><dd>Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection
Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The
Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal
that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said
that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of
course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is
needed.<br>
</dd><dd>Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no
doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2
(ALS and Individual Membership).<br>
</dd><dd>ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes
needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and
reduce routine work).<br>
<br>
<br>
</dd><dd>Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of
Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21
calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the
amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time
allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change
can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel. <br>
</dd><dd>I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later
today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.<br>
</dd><dd>Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log
explaining each of the changes.<br>
</dd><dd>Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are
either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as
including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key
working group chairs in the ALAC list).<br>
</dd><dd>Alan<br>
</dd><dd>_______________________________________________
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