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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>First of all, I agree that the decision on individual
membership is not to be done now, but would be handled by later
discussions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Further more, it is my understanding that the handling
of individual membership is not uniform among all RALOs. Each RALO defines
their own criteria for membership and the rights/duties associated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Thus, if At-Large/ALAC decides to establish a uniform
individual membership, it would help to first review and compare the current
practice of all RALOs, as well as to understand the reason for any
differences. Only after that, we can better understand the pros and cons
of establishing such a uniform membership, and get a better picture of what/how
to do next.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Regarding whether an indevidual membership needs to be
voted upon by the ALAC, there are many ways to go between the extremes.
These can be further explored after we do the above mentioned but not
before.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Kaili</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">Alan
Greenberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>To:</B> <A title=seun.ojedeji@gmail.com
href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">Seun Ojedeji</A> ; <A title=ocl@gih.com
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org
href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">ALAC Working List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:26
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Motion to amend the
ALAC Rules of Procedure</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Noting that this discussion was triggered by the RoP revision
but is not a part of it - any decisions on how individual members are handled
(if indeed we decide that this is an ALAC matter and not a RALO matter as is
currently the case) will come out of either the At-Large Review Implementation
r other follow-on activities.<BR><BR>But to put add my own comments. Seun is
right that it can be done in a relatively uncumbersome way. But you lose the
ability of telling a new possible eager person that they are now a member (and
not have to wait for the periodic approval. And more to the point, if the ALAC
will not actually look at each prospective new member, case by case, what are
we getting for the new process?<BR><BR>Alan<BR><BR>At 10/10/2018 01:18 PM,
Seun Ojedeji wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Sent from my mobile<BR>Kindly
excuse brevity and typos<BR><BR>On Wed, 10 Oct 2018, 17:24 Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond, <<A href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>
<DL>
<DD>Dear Seun,<BR><BR>
<DD>sorry just catching up with old emails.<BR>
<DD>The procedure which you mention below, Seun, seems to be really heavy
handed. You are speaking of ALAC ratification for every individual member?
Do you realise that EURALO, for example, has in excess of 30 individual
members handled by the EURALO individuals association. I could not imagine
getting the ALAC to vote on each and every individual application.<BR>
<DD>The way we have done it in EURALO is to delegate the task of handling
individual users to a purpose built structure and they have conducted the
process which you have listed below, by individual users, for individual
users. I realise that there are always pressures for centralisation, but
in this sort of process, I really think delegation and decentralisation is
the key to good growth whilst keeping the administrative workload of the
ALAC to a manageable level.<BR><BR></DD></DL><BR>SO: Olivier, it depends on
how much details ALAC is looking into; ratification can simply mean
approving the recommendation of that group you said already does it and it
can simply be to affirm if they have followed the review process. Secondly
ratification for individual members can be done in bulk on periodic basis,
that way it won't require voting on each individual (but chance to exclude
any controversial individual may need to be included)<BR><BR>Overall I don't
think this process needs to be cumbersome, it all depends on how much
details ALAC will be required to look at before ratification. On a lighter
note, 30 isn't so much a big number to consider :-)<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>
<DL>
<DD>Kindest regards,<BR><BR>
<DD>Olivier<BR><BR>
<DD>On 05/10/2018 16:21, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<BR>
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<DD>While the uniform process still needs to be detailed, am in support
of such line of thought which I can summarize as follows: <BR><BR>
<DD>- EOI submission<BR>
<DD>- Staff due diligence<BR>
<DD>- Staff notification on RALO list, with the intent of confirming if
the applicant is not an ALS member<BR>
<DD>- RALO approval for ALAC ratification<BR>
<DD>- ALAC ratification<BR><BR>
<DD>Regards<BR>
<DD>Sent from my mobile<BR>
<DD>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<BR><BR>
<DD>On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, 14:44 Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <<A
href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com">devtee@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
<DL>
<DD>Something to file for the discussions then<BR><BR>
<DD>To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent
manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the
at large community <BR>
<DD>- a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at
large website<BR>
<DD>- the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is
sent to the ralos for their advice <BR>
<DD>- the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or
not<BR><BR>
<DD>Dev Anand<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <<A
href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com">
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
<DL>
<DD>I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration
details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly
going to be on my "to do" list. <BR><BR>
<DD>But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made
at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially
when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership
lists.<BR><BR>
<DD>The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership
(affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes)
should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2
which looks at individual participation.<BR><BR>
<DD>Maureen<BR><BR>
<DD>On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <<A
href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</A>
> wrote:<BR>
<DL>
<DD>Thanks Ricardo,<BR><BR>
<DD>You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted
to have it make full sense. I will look at it.<BR><BR>
<DD>Alan<BR><BR>
<DD>At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:<BR><BR>
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<DD>Good day Alan,<BR>
<DD>Thanks so much for the revision.<BR><BR>
<DD>I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase
concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be
missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a
Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own
RoP).<BR><BR>
<DD>About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the
At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing
"a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the
rest of the lists from there on.<BR>
<DD>Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the
corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal,
and not just ALAC.<BR>
<DD>In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At
Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual
members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other
RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an
ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO
instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an
individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a
"virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I
am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step
in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the
list once approved.<BR><BR>
<DD>Best<BR><BR>
<DD>Ricardo Holmquist<BR><BR>
<DD>El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (<<A
href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">
alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</A>>) escribió:
<DL>
<DD>As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair
of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order.
There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of
Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.<BR>
<DD>To summarize, our overall rule set includes:<BR>
<DD>Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction,
clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen
or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.<BR>
<DD>Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC
Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by
the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)<BR>
<DD>Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for
ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the
extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation
to Issue 16.<BR>
<DD>Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection
Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The
Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but
our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the
Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review
Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at
any point in the future if changes is needed.<BR><BR>
<DD>Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will
no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing
Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).<BR>
<DD>ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and
changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC
practice (and reduce routine work).<BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC
Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for
at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will
allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in
Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in
Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up
and resolved via e-mail prior to travel. <BR>
<DD>I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC
call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people
wish.<BR>
<DD>Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a
Change Log explaining each of the changes.<BR>
<DD>Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the
changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect
current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the
ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in
the ALAC list).<BR>
<DD>Alan<BR>
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