<div><div dir="auto">Agree!</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 7:51 PM Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Agree ++1</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:39 AM Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">Big +1. <br clear="all"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">-Carlton</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_4427171590732025592m_2432984128743373596gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>==============================<br><i><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Carlton A Samuels</font></i><br><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><i>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i></font><br>=============================</div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 4:29 PM Vanda Scartezini <<a href="mailto:vanda@scartezini.org" target="_blank">vanda@scartezini.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">I guess such proposals to reenter into the pool any candidate that the BCEC had analyzed and decided to not select, is not a good practice.
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<b>To: </b>Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>'ALAC List' <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br>
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It would be upsetting to have a long formal process to declare interest/no interest when it is very clear my local RALO would rather sit on its hands than endorse such a candidate parachuted into the process from another region.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#002e7a">I went through the RoP review proposed by Alan, and I accept most of them except 2:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:#fb0008">if </span><span style="color:#4100ff">a</span><span style="color:#fb0008"> RALO believes that the BCEC erred in omitting a candidate</span>. The timetable should allow for consultations
<span style="color:#fb0008">and outreach both within </span><span style="color:#0056d6">each RALO </span><span style="color:#fb0008">and
</span><span style="color:#0061ff">Between</span><span style="color:#fb0008"> </span>
<span style="color:#0056d6">all</span><span style="color:#fb0008"> RALOs so that </span>
<span style="color:#4100ff">the other</span><span style="color:#fb0008"> RALOs may consider, using whatever methodology they choose, whether they have a similarly compelling interest in the additional candidate.</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#002e7a">Also, I have a concern about each RALO using whatever methodology they choose to decide whether they have interest in the additional candidate. We have today an experience of 3 selections
(2010, 2014, 2017) and I chaired the BMSPC for 2 of them. I recommend that all actions related to the Board member selection by At-Large be done trough a common set of rules for all the RALOs including those related to the petition. This is because we need
the whole RALO members decide whether they have interest in the additional candidate, not the RALO Chair nor its leadership team. This rules must be very well detailed so that there is no room for interpretation.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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How shall I do? If I accept the proposal of Alan, I should either not vote or vote for someone who I believe is not a good one.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#002e7a">By the way, I had a long discussion with Alan about including the 2017 BMSPC recommendations in the RoP, and Alan think that such modifications of the RoP need more discussion to be accepted
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To be clear, you made several changes from the proposed text, some you highlighted in red and others were just slipped in. Can you confirm if all were intentional?<br>
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a) replace "each RALO" with "RALOs" (not noted in red)<br>
b) replaced "erred" with "did not make a good decsision"<br>
c) removed the word "compelling" (not noted in red)<br>
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a) the "each" was added to make it clear that each RALO needed to make an independent decision. But I agree it is awkward wording since it flips between talking about a single RALO and all RALOs. That needs fixing.<br>
b) I don't really see the difference between the two, but don't care much either<br>
c) again the reason that this paragraph was being adjust was to convey just this part. That the RALO feels STRONGLY that the candidate must be added back, not just is willing to live with it.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">19.9.1 - Edits suggests that all RALO must agree that BCEC erred, was that the intention? I think that may be very difficult to achieve especially in a highly tense political setup.(am not saying we have that now,
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this process, it should be a high bar to tell the BCEC that it erred. If we do not as a matter of course, trust the BCEC to do its deliberations carefully, why do we bother with the process at all?
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SO: I was one of the last BSMPC or is it BCEC and remember that recommendation and i agree with 3 RALOs, but the current wording suggests all RALOs must have to support the petition from a particular RALO.
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The number of supporting RALOs is given in 19.9.3 but I agree that there is some potential for ambiguity/confusion in 19.9.1.<br>
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19.9.1 Following the publication of the BCEC slate of candidates, RALOs have an opportunity to suggest adding candidates to that list if RALOs believe that the BCEC
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have a similar interest in the additional candidate<span style="color:red">(s)</span>.<br>
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