<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Dear Seun,<br>
<br>
sorry just catching up with old emails.<br>
The procedure which you mention below, Seun, seems to be really
heavy handed. You are speaking of ALAC ratification for every
individual member? Do you realise that EURALO, for example, has in
excess of 30 individual members handled by the EURALO individuals
association. I could not imagine getting the ALAC to vote on each
and every individual application.<br>
The way we have done it in EURALO is to delegate the task of
handling individual users to a purpose built structure and they have
conducted the process which you have listed below, by individual
users, for individual users. I realise that there are always
pressures for centralisation, but in this sort of process, I really
think delegation and decentralisation is the key to good growth
whilst keeping the administrative workload of the ALAC to a
manageable level.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/10/2018 16:21, Seun Ojedeji
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAD_dc6jWTCWNN1H4hbPAUDwj+pd11ok53=BmPbLRqHm-mF9Vjg@mail.gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<div dir="auto">While the uniform process still needs to be
detailed, am in support of such line of thought which I can
summarize as follows:
<div dir="auto"><br>
<div dir="auto">- EOI submission</div>
<div dir="auto">- Staff due diligence</div>
<div dir="auto">- Staff notification on RALO list, with the
intent of confirming if the applicant is not an ALS member</div>
<div dir="auto">- RALO approval for ALAC ratification</div>
<div dir="auto">- ALAC ratification<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Sent from
my mobile<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, 14:44 Dev Anand Teelucksingh,
<<a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">devtee@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div dir="auto">Something to file for the discussions then</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">To me, the individual membership should be
done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to
be Accredited as a member of the at large community </div>
</div>
<div dir="auto">- a common online application form in the 6un
languages on the at large website</div>
<div dir="auto">- the ralos provide regional advice after
staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice </div>
<div dir="auto">- the ALAC votes whether to accept the
regional advice or not</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Dev Anand</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen
Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I agree that individual membership as
well as ALS registration details still need to be
discussed further and this was certainly going to be
on my "to do" list.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I do not think that any real changes to the
ROPs can be made at this time without full
consultation with everyone, especially when some
RALOs are still discussing it within their own
membership lists.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The issue of defining / redefining different
types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated
individual members as well as of ALSes) should be
incorporated into the implementation plan, under
Item #2 which looks at individual participation.</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Maureen<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan
Greenberg <<a
href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
Thanks Ricardo,<br>
<br>
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few
words inserted to have it
make full sense. I will look at it.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
class="m_7492998698955162329m_-7939173438500427609m_239064551904787459cite">Good
day Alan,<br>
Thanks so much for the revision.<br>
<br>
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a
phrase concerning the
approval of the Individual members seems to be
missing (Being it an RALO
approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval
or what the RALO
establishes in its own RoP).<br>
<br>
About the Email guide, attached is a screen
capture of the At Large email
list (capture email guide), there is a missing
"a" on the
"may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in
the rest of
the lists from there on.<br>
Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in
one of the corrections
(capture email guide 2) it should say
ALAC-Internal, and not just
ALAC.<br>
In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and
also the At Large list),
there is no direct inclusion of the Individual
members. I understand that
for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works,
and LACRALO is still
deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a
representative is named to
vote on EURALO instances, but I will also
understand that in any RALO if
an individual is asking to be a member, is not
because he wants a
"virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact
directly. Yes,
I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is
just another step in the
recognition of the individual users to include
him in the list once
approved.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Ricardo Holmquist<br>
<br>
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg
(<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">
alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>) escribió:<br>
<dl>
<dd>As I am about to relinquish the honor of
being the Chair of the ALAC,
I would like to leave things in reasonable
order. There are a number of
overdue changes needed to the Rules of
Procedure (RoP) and associated
documents.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>To summarize, our overall rule set
includes:<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of
correction,
clarifications and changes to address issues
that have arisen or to bring
the RoP in line with current practices.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description
for ALAC Members,
Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be
considered by the ARIWG
in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial
Actions for ALAC
Members and Appointees" was never written
but to the extent it
is needed, it should also be considered in
relation to Issue 16.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board
Member Selection
Implementation" should not need any
immediate attention. The
Selection process was referenced in the
Review (Issue 6) but our proposal
that was accepted by the Board disagreed
with the Review Team and said
that we will not address it in the Review
Implementation. We may of
course re-open that discussion at any point
in the future if changes is
needed.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure
Framework"
will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed
as part of addressing Review
Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of
corrections and changes
needed to being the document in line with
current ALAC practice (and
reduce routine work).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Accordingly I am proposing a set of
changes to the ALAC Rules of
Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP
call for at least 21
calendar days notice and and this message
will allow us to vote on the
amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in
Barcelona. There will also be time
allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but
hopefully any need for change
can be brought up and resolved via e-mail
prior to travel. <br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>I will do a very brief overview of the
changes on the ALAC call later
today, and we can have a dedicated call if
people wish.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Attached is the redline revision of the
RoP as well as a Change Log
explaining each of the changes.<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide.
All of the changes are
either clear corrections or changes to
reflect current practice (such as
including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or
ALAC lists, and including key
working group chairs in the ALAC list).<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>Alan<br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>_______________________________________________<br>
</dd>
<dd>ALAC mailing list<br>
</dd>
<dd><a
href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">
ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
</dd>
<dd>
<a
href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>At-Large Online:
<a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a>
<br>
</dd>
<dd>ALAC Working Wiki:
<a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a>
<br>
<br>
</dd>
</dl>
Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="capture email
guide
2.JPG"<br>
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="capture email guide
2.JPG"<br>
Content-ID: <f_jmt2hr8w0><br>
X-Attachment-Id: f_jmt2hr8w0<br>
<br>
Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="capture email
guide.JPG"<br>
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="capture email
guide.JPG"<br>
Content-ID: <f_jmt2hr9a1><br>
X-Attachment-Id: f_jmt2hr9a1<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
ALAC mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
<a
href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br>
<br>
At-Large Online:
<a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">
http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
ALAC Working Wiki:
<a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC</a>
)</blockquote>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
ALAC mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
<a
href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br>
<br>
At-Large Online: <a
href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
ALAC Working Wiki: <a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a></blockquote>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
ALAC mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
<a
href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br>
<br>
At-Large Online: <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
ALAC Working Wiki: <a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a></blockquote>
</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
ALAC mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
<a
href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br>
<br>
At-Large Online: <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
ALAC Working Wiki: <a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a></blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
ALAC mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a>
At-Large Online: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a>
ALAC Working Wiki: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a></pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gih.com/ocl.html">http://www.gih.com/ocl.html</a>
</pre>
</body>
</html>