<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Satish,</div><div>I think yours is a good idea to engage with a lot of people in our lists, that are not aware they can be Individual Users, may be pointing them to the appropriate rules of each RALO. <br></div><div><br></div><div>But also, I agree with Judith, there is people on this lists that are currently affiliated to an ALS, knowing or not knowing if their Organization is an ALS (for example not all ISOC Chapters are), but in most cases there is more than one person involved in ICANN (the actual representant), in some cases there are several, like mine, that there are at least four more.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Ricardo<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">El vie., 5 oct. 2018 a las 16:55, Satish Babu (<<a href="mailto:sb@inapp.com">sb@inapp.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Judith<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM Judith Hellerstein <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>So are you proposing that staff create a list of people who are
      subscribed to the list and identify all and those who are not with
      ALSes or are an individual member be asked if they want to join as
      an individual member? I was just seeking some clarity on this<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, that's what I'd proposed. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Of course, they could respond that they would rather retain their current fuzzy status rather than become an individual member, in which case we are back to square one...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>satish<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>
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    <p>Cheers,</p>
    <p>Judith<br>
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    <div class="m_8114744913621835093m_8545972828869950564moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/2018 10:10 AM, Satish Babu
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>A few related points:</div>
        <ul>
          <li>Given the possibility that numbers could be non-trivial
            compared to ALS applications, and also given that different
            RALOs could have criteria specific to them, should the
            individual member admissions be left to each RALO?</li>
          <li>Should we have an ALAC-level roster of all individual
            members so that we can detect overlaps?</li>
          <li>Although not directly related to membership, should we
            also clean up RALO-level community mailing lists and convert
            existing mailing list members who are neither individual
            members nor RALO representatives, to consider becoming
            individual members?</li>
        </ul>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>satish<br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 7:14 PM Dev Anand
          Teelucksingh <<a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com" target="_blank">devtee@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div>
            <div dir="auto">Something to file for the discussions then</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">To me, the individual membership should be
              done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to
              be Accredited as a member of the at large community </div>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">- a common online application form in the 6un
            languages on the at large website</div>
          <div dir="auto">- the ralos provide regional advice after
            staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice </div>
          <div dir="auto">- the ALAC votes whether to accept the
            regional advice or not</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Dev Anand</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen
                Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div dir="ltr">I agree that individual membership as
                  well as ALS registration details still need to be
                  discussed further and this was certainly going to be
                  on my "to do" list.
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>But I do not think that any real changes to the
                    ROPs can be made at this time without full
                    consultation with everyone, especially when some
                    RALOs are still discussing it within their own
                    membership lists.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>The issue of defining / redefining different
                    types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated
                    individual members as well as of ALSes) should be
                    incorporated into the implementation plan, under
                    Item #2 which looks at individual participation.</div>
                </div>
                <div dir="ltr">
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Maureen<br>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">
                  <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan
                    Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                    <div>
                      Thanks Ricardo,<br>
                      <br>
                      You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few
                      words inserted to have it
                      make full sense. I will look at it.<br>
                      <br>
                      Alan<br>
                      <br>
                      At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:<br>
                      <br>
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                        day Alan,<br>
                        Thanks so much for the revision.<br>
                        <br>
                        I have one comment for the Introduction, where a
                        phrase concerning the
                        approval of the Individual members seems to be
                        missing (Being it an RALO
                        approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval
                        or what the RALO
                        establishes in its own RoP).<br>
                        <br>
                        About the Email guide, attached is a screen
                        capture of the At Large email
                        list (capture email guide), there is a missing
                        "a" on the
                        "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in
                        the rest of
                        the lists from there on.<br>
                        Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in
                        one of the corrections
                        (capture email guide 2) it should say
                        ALAC-Internal, and not just
                        ALAC.<br>
                        In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and
                        also the At Large list),
                        there is no direct inclusion of the Individual
                        members. I understand that
                        for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works,
                        and LACRALO is still
                        deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a
                        representative is named to
                        vote on EURALO instances, but I will also
                        understand that in any RALO if
                        an individual is asking to be a member, is not
                        because he wants a
                        "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact
                        directly. Yes,
                        I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is
                        just another step in the
                        recognition of the individual users to include
                        him in the list once
                        approved.<br>
                        <br>
                        Best<br>
                        <br>
                        Ricardo Holmquist<br>
                        <br>
                        El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg
                        (<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">
                          alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>) escribió:<br>
                        <dl>
                          <dd>As I am about to relinquish the honor of
                            being the Chair of the ALAC,
                            I would like to leave things in reasonable
                            order. There are a number of
                            overdue changes needed to the Rules of
                            Procedure (RoP) and associated
                            documents.<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>To summarize, our overall rule set
                            includes:<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of
                            correction,
                            clarifications and changes to address issues
                            that have arisen or to bring
                            the RoP in line with current practices.<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description
                            for ALAC Members,
                            Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be
                            considered by the ARIWG
                            in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial
                            Actions for ALAC
                            Members and Appointees" was never written
                            but to the extent it
                            is needed, it should also be considered in
                            relation to Issue 16.<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board
                            Member Selection
                            Implementation" should not need any
                            immediate attention. The
                            Selection process was referenced in the
                            Review (Issue 6) but our proposal
                            that was accepted by the Board disagreed
                            with the Review Team and said
                            that we will not address it in the Review
                            Implementation. We may of
                            course re-open that discussion at any point
                            in the future if changes is
                            needed.<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure
                            Framework"
                            will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed
                            as part of addressing Review
                            Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of
                            corrections and changes
                            needed to being the document in line with
                            current ALAC practice (and
                            reduce routine work).<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Accordingly I am proposing a set of
                            changes to the ALAC Rules of
                            Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP
                            call for at least 21
                            calendar days notice and and this message
                            will allow us to vote on the
                            amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in
                            Barcelona. There will also be time
                            allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but
                            hopefully any need for change
                            can be brought up and resolved via e-mail
                            prior to travel. <br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>I will do a very brief overview of the
                            changes on the ALAC call later
                            today, and we can have a dedicated call if
                            people wish.<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Attached is the redline revision of the
                            RoP as well as a Change Log
                            explaining each of the changes.<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide.
                            All of the changes are
                            either clear corrections or changes to
                            reflect current practice (such as
                            including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or
                            ALAC lists, and including key
                            working group chairs in the ALAC list).<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>Alan<br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>_______________________________________________<br>
                          </dd>
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                              ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>
                            <a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac" target="_blank">
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>At-Large Online:
                            <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a>
                            <br>
                          </dd>
                          <dd>ALAC Working Wiki:
                            <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a>
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                        <a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac" target="_blank">
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br>
                        <br>
                        At-Large Online:
                        <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/" target="_blank">
                          http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
                        ALAC Working Wiki:
                        <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC</a>
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                    ALAC mailing list<br>
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                    At-Large Online: <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
                    ALAC Working Wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a></blockquote>
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          At-Large Online: <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
          ALAC Working Wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+%28ALAC%29" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a></blockquote>
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