<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Alberto - I don’t think anyone in the email train is saying anything malignant. I think we all are well intentioned. I certainly am and I believe everyone else is as well.<div><br></div><div>Holly<br><div><div>On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:33 am, Alberto Soto <<a href="mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org">asoto@ibero-americano.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="ES-AR" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Ok, I agree. But I do not agree that there is malignant At-Large propensity. I'm sure there are only good intentions to participate and collaborate.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Alberto<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span lang="ES"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ALAC <<a href="mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>En nombre de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Holly Raiche<br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 08:26 p.m.<br><b>Para:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>><br><b>CC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>At-Large Worldwide <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks Carlton<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I really like that suggestion - it is a document only of principles, but ones that ALAC clearly supports, and that fit well into our EPDP discussions and, because of the shortness of time, we can all agree on<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Holly<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:16 am, Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">The At-Large is well-advised to take SSAC publications seriously. For in regard to problem definition, analysis and recommendations to solution they are thorough, devoid of hysteria and exhibits an internal logic any sentient being can apply.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">A suggestion. <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/ssac2018-17-26jun18-en.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">SAC2018-17</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>details the high-level recommendations as principles that the SSAC believes should guide ePDP deliberations. The SSAC say these recommendations are extracted from the SAC101 Advisory; in their own words, "<i>several of the recommendations are specifically designed as inputs to the ePDP</i>" then in construction and particularized further in SAC2018-17. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">I have read SAC101 publication and on balance of fact, so affirm. If you recall, this is the kind of approach some of us advised the ALAC should embrace to guide participation of At-Large representatives on the ePDP. One cannot now say that such a document - meaning an At-Large developed and ALAC-endorsed document - emerged from that lot of interventions. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> What I can say is the SSAC-enunciated principles look very much like those the rational mind of an At-Large participant would support. I would urge you reject this malignant At-Large propensity to re-invent the wheel. Endorse the principles as outlined in SAC2018-17 and save yourselves a bother without a redeemable quality.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">-Carlton <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br>==============================<br><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">Carlton A Samuels</span></i><br><i><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><span style="color: rgb(51, 204, 0);">Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</span></span></i><br>=============================<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:39 AM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><div><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Sorry to have missed the call -- still confusing midnight Monday with midnight Tuesday -- I guess I will get used to the format.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I just read this really well done SSAC report which is clear and thorough. But there is a lot in there. I wonder if we should do a blanket endorsement of everything without careful analysis.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Could we not have a more nuanced position? For example, we could say that, in line with our mandate to support end-users, we support SSAC's position on ensuring that security professionals and law enforcement have adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">If that is the point we want to make.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Marita</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On 8/28/2018 2:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">As I mentioned on the ALAC call that has just completed, all EPDP participant groups have been given the opportunity to provide "early input" into the EPDP.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done so. Their input can be found at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ</a>.<br><br>The SSAC's input consisted of their recent report SAC101. A copy is attached for your convenience.<br><br>I would like to suggest that the ALAC submit a statement saying that we support SAC101, as it is in line with our stated position of trying to ensure that security professionals and law enforcement have adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data.<br><br>I open the floor for discussion and will initiate a Consensus Call later in the week.<br><br>Alan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">ALAC mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">At-Large Online: <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">ALAC Working Wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">_______________________________________________<br>ALAC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br><br>At-Large Online:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>ALAC Working Wiki:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">_______________________________________________<br>ALAC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br><br>At-Large Online:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>ALAC Working Wiki:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>