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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES-AR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ok, I agree. But I do not agree that there is malignant At-Large propensity. I'm sure there are only good intentions to participate and collaborate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alberto<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES>De:</span></b><span lang=ES> ALAC <alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <b>En nombre de </b>Holly Raiche<br><b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 28 de agosto de 2018 08:26 p.m.<br><b>Para:</b> Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com><br><b>CC:</b> At-Large Worldwide <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [ALAC] EPDP Early input<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Carlton<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I really like that suggestion - it is a document only of principles, but ones that ALAC clearly supports, and that fit well into our EPDP discussions and, because of the shortness of time, we can all agree on<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Holly<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 29 Aug 2018, at 9:16 am, Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>The At-Large is well-advised to take SSAC publications seriously. For in regard to problem definition, analysis and recommendations to solution they are thorough, devoid of hysteria and exhibits an internal logic any sentient being can apply.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>A suggestion. <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/ssac2018-17-26jun18-en.pdf">SAC2018-17</a> details the high-level recommendations as principles that the SSAC believes should guide ePDP deliberations. The SSAC say these recommendations are extracted from the SAC101 Advisory; in their own words, "<i>several of the recommendations are specifically designed as inputs to the ePDP</i>" then in construction and particularized further in SAC2018-17. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>I have read SAC101 publication and on balance of fact, so affirm. If you recall, this is the kind of approach some of us advised the ALAC should embrace to guide participation of At-Large representatives on the ePDP. One cannot now say that such a document - meaning an At-Large developed and ALAC-endorsed document - emerged from that lot of interventions. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> What I can say is the SSAC-enunciated principles look very much like those the rational mind of an At-Large participant would support. I would urge you reject this malignant At-Large propensity to re-invent the wheel. Endorse the principles as outlined in SAC2018-17 and save yourselves a bother without a redeemable quality.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>-Carlton <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>==============================<br><i><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Carlton A Samuels</span></i><br><i><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><span style='color:#33CC00'>Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</span></span></i><br>=============================<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:39 AM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Sorry to have missed the call -- still confusing midnight Monday with midnight Tuesday -- I guess I will get used to the format.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I just read this really well done SSAC report which is clear and thorough. But there is a lot in there. I wonder if we should do a blanket endorsement of everything without careful analysis. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Could we not have a more nuanced position? For example, we could say that, in line with our mandate to support end-users, we support SSAC's position on ensuring that security professionals and law enforcement have adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>If that is the point we want to make.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Marita</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 8/28/2018 2:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>As I mentioned on the ALAC call that has just completed, all EPDP participant groups have been given the opportunity to provide "early input" into the EPDP. <br><br>So far, the SSAC and the NCSG has done so. Their input can be found at <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/Ag9pBQ</a>.<br><br>The SSAC's input consisted of their recent report SAC101. A copy is attached for your convenience.<br><br>I would like to suggest that the ALAC submit a statement saying that we support SAC101, as it is in line with our stated position of trying to ensure that security professionals and law enforcement have adequate access to WHOIS/RDS data.<br><br>I open the floor for discussion and will initiate a Consensus Call later in the week.<br><br>Alan <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ALAC mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>At-Large Online: <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/" target="_blank">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ALAC Working Wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>ALAC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br><br>At-Large Online: <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/" target="_blank">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>ALAC Working Wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>ALAC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org">ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac</a><br><br>At-Large Online: <a href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org">http://www.atlarge.icann.org</a><br>ALAC Working Wiki: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>