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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 27 août 2017 à 22:11, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" class="">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Tijani, why do you say that attempting to ensure that multiple views are
represented will result in a "neutral" group. It could be that
there are only two main views and a majority of At-large espouses one of
them.<br class=""><br class="">
The difference between this and other groups that we have worked in is
that in most other cases, At-Large to a great extent was speaking from a
single point of view, perhaps with minor variations. That *may* be the
case here, or not. That is what I was trying to determine.<br class=""><br class="">
And the question I was asking is that IF there are multiple views, do we
want to try to ensure through the selection process that they are
represented? That is a separate question from whether we ensure that we
have five regional reps which so far there is strong support for (as
expected).<br class=""><br class="">
To use your own words, this is in the interest of diversity. Diversity of
views and not only geographic regions.<br class=""><br class="">
Alan<br class=""><br class="">
At 27/08/2017 01:24 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:<br class="">
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Alan,</font><br class="">
<font color="#002E7A" class=""><br class="">
You know that I hate disagreeing with you. But when you say « we
may consider opinion balance rather than regional balance, the difference
is very clear and the divergence is there.<br class=""><br class="">
We don’t need to go to the WT with a single harmonized, balanced
(neutral at the end of the day) view, but bring the views of our
respective communities. That’s the interest of the diversity.<br class="">
The model of our participation in the CCWG is be followed in my
opinion.<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Le 27 août 2017 à 16:41,
Alan Greenberg
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" class="">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> a écrit :<br class=""><br class="">
Tijani and others, <br class=""><br class="">
You are disagreeing with one small POSSIBLE consequence of what I
suggested and I am not sure to what extent you are disagreeing with the
main part, that we TRY to ensure that all major viewpoints held by
At-Large people are represented.<br class=""><br class="">
It is fine to say that if we don't like the outcome, we will not ratify
it, but just as in our reply to Rec 1 of the review, we say we are MUCH
better off if we can effect the outcome so it is good, rather than just
object afterwards, in this case, we need to ensure that our participants
in the process represent the range of views.<br class=""><br class="">
Alan<br class=""><br class="">
<br class="">
At 27/08/2017 06:53 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite=""><font color="#002E7A" class="">Bonjour
Alan,</font><br class="">
<font color="#002E7A" class=""><br class="">
I̢۪m afraid I don̢۪t share your approach.<br class=""><br class="">
What you are proposing is to send to the WT a neutral (balanced) opinion.
You even propose to have opinion balance rather than regional
balance.<br class="">
This means that if we have more than a region with the same opinion, we
have to take only one and take 2 or more from a region with various
opinions. What would be the result????<br class="">
Regions much more represented than others for an issue about geographic
names…¦..<br class=""><br class="">
I believe we should act exactly as we did for the CCWG: select 5 members
from the 5 regions, and each member expresses his opinion in the WT. The
final report of the WT will be ratified by the Chartering organizations,
and that̢۪s where the opinion of the ALAC as a whole will be
shaped. (</font><b class="">with the understanding that we agree to the
terms of reference, and that we are not bound by the outcomes until and
unless we ratify them at the conclusion of WT5 work.</b>)<br class=""><br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Le 27 août 2017 Ã
03:29, Alan Greenberg
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" class="">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> a écrit :<br class=""><br class="">
The GNSO PDP on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures has decided to initiate a
Work Track on the use geographic names at the top level, and the ALAC,
along with the GNSO, ccNSO and GAC, has been invited to
participate.<br class=""><br class="">
As a first step, co-leaders are being requested and as you know from
<a href="http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac/2017-August/010630.html" class="">
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac/2017-August/010630.html</a>
, the ALAC is seeking someone to take on this role on behalf of the
ALAC.<br class=""><br class="">
The co-leaders, once selected, will work with the PDP WG Co-Chairs to
establish the further procedures and the full terms of reference will
likely be established by the WT itself However, it is envisaged that this
new Work Track will operate with procedures comparable to a CCWG. If this
is indeed what happens, the Work Track, unlike most GNSO PDP efforts, may
include:<br class=""><br class="">
- Members formally appointed by the AC/SOs;<br class="">
- Participants;<br class="">
- A decision process wherein Members only may take part (used only if
necessary)<br class="">
- The .<br class=""><br class="">
The ALAC needs to decide how it will participate, and the criteria for
selecting Members (presuming this is the path chosen).<br class=""><br class="">
The first part, I think, is relatively simple. I believe the ALAC should
agree to be a full participant with the understanding that we agree to
the terms of reference, and that we are not bound by the outcomes until
and unless we ratify them at the conclusion of WT5 work.<br class=""><br class="">
The selection of Members (if there are any) is more complex. Normally, we
are allotted five Members and I would expect that to be the case here. We
typically solicit volunteers and the ALAC Appointee Selection Committee
makes recommendations to the ALAC, with the expectation is that there be
one candidate per region.<br class=""><br class="">
This situation is more challenging in that the ALAC and At-Large may have
a variety of positions ranging from:<br class=""><br class="">
- National or local governments should have absolute control over the use
of their names (or other geographic identifiers); to<br class="">
- We have many examples of the use of geographic names in existing
domains and there is no evidence of harm, so we should allow a very
liberal use of geographic names in the new TLDs.<br class="">
- In between, there are views that there should be a mechanism to
arbitrate when there are different parties seeking a name, or a process
like the Trademark Clearinghouse where parties can register their
"interest" in a name.<br class=""><br class="">
It is therefore really important to understand the variety of views and
make sure that our delegation to the WT represents all of these.<br class=""><br class="">
In order to do this, I think we need a discussion of what positions are
held. This is NOT an opportunity to agree or disagree with positions
presented, but to simply understand how views vary within
At-Large.<br class=""><br class="">
I would like to open the discussion on this list to start with, and once
we have a good idea of ideas, to validate them with the wider At-Large
Community.<br class=""><br class="">
With this mail, I am soliciting input on three questions:<br class=""><br class="">
1. Do you agree with my proposal on the conditions for participating or
if not, what do you propose instead?<br class=""><br class="">
2. Assuming we will be asked to appoint Members, should we try to balance
their views to make sure the majority of our community has a voice on the
WT? This *might* mean we end up balancing views and not have all five
regions represented.<br class=""><br class="">
3. What are your views on how to address the use of geographic names in
Top Level Domains?<br class=""><br class="">
Alan<br class=""><br class="">
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