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At 21/05/2017 01:48 PM, Andrei Kolesnikov wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">In my previous practice: up to
10% of search revenue went to parked domains (in Russia) in 2010 before
Google and Yandex changed keywords and reference links measurements, took
it down below 1%. </blockquote><br>
Yes, that is my roughly experience as well - my statement was about
current search results.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Expired domains, auctions is a
significant part of registrars business. There is nothing wrong when
buying good names at extra price. The process of expiration is kind of
uniform for gTLD world, however ccTLDs use different schemes.
</blockquote><br>
Indeed, and even the monetization of expired domains could help some
registrar's bottom lines. Which is why we did not push to eliminate it.
The practice that we found inappropriate was sometimes deliberately not
letting registrants know their names were expiring (or putting no effort
into it) and then IF they allowed renewal, charging high prices for
renewal based on their monetization experience. Or simply because they
could. Selling to other bidders once the name was truly expired and not
renewed is fair game. As is picking up dropped names and offering to sell
them back to original registrant for high prices. Unsavory perhaps, but
all legit.<br><br>
Ever since ICANN started, there has been a to-and-fro game being played
between ICANN and registrars with ICANN trying to provide a "safety
net" (that is the expression that was used) for accidentally expired
names and registrars finding a way around it. The best example is this
one day in 2003 when ICANN announced that a PDP had "restored the
safety net" and registrars announcing they had found a way to bypass
it -
<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2004-09-21-en" eudora="autourl">
https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2004-09-21-en</a> and
<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2004-09-21-en" eudora="autourl">
https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2004-09-21-en</a>.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">--andrei<br><br>
вс, 21 мая 2017 г. в 10:06, Alan Greenberg
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
>:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Domain parking is not a new issue for At-Large. We have a long and
interesting history related to this topic.<br><br>
<dd>In 2007, there was a prevalent practice among a number of registrars
and domainers called "domain tasting" (
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting" eudora="autourl">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting</a>). In short it was a
completely legitimate (that is not against any rules) proactive which
allowed a domain to be registered and monetized, and if it did not prove
profitable, to cancel the registration at no net cost (ie free). This
allowed the "tasting" on many millions of domains per month.
The practice was also used to some extent for disposable domains for
generating spam (it was before phishing was common). If I remember
correctly, less than 1% were kept because they proved profitable (often
typos of real domain names). The ALAC requested a GNSO PDP to stop the
practice. Once the new policy was developed and adopted, it made tasting
to expensive to be practical in the general case.<br>
<br>
<dd>The issue of parked monetized pages also arose when we were
requesting a PDP on ensuring the rights of registrants who accidentally
let their domain expire. It was common for the registrar to monetize the
page at expiration or soon after, allowing them to make some extra money,
and also gauge whether the domain was "valuable" or not. If it
was valuable, they could take over the registration (virtually all
registration agreements let them do that) and then use it themselves or
auction it off. We ultimately decided to not object to the practice,
since doing so would impact the registrars revenue stream and would make
it much more difficult to achieve the real aims of the PDP. This proved
to be a correct analysis. We did ensure that the monetized page clearly
said it was an expired domain and told the registrant how to get it back.
And made sure the price did not go up immediately due to what was learned
during monetization. <br><br>
<dd>Interestingly we also in a few cases probably increased the
monetization because it was the practice in some cases to NOT interrupt
the domain and monetize it. This allowed the domain to work as if it was
still owned by the original registrant until it was too late to renew the
registration (generally 30 days) and then the registrar could take it
over without any way for the registrant to get it back at a reasonable
price.<br><br>
<dd>This is a discussion that we could have, but I think it rather
unlikely that ICANN would stop the practice, as it directly goes to how
the domain is being used and its content. The only real issue within
ICANN's current remit is that in many cases, a parked domain is one that
is found by incorrectly typing a URL. A few years ago it was common to
his monetized pages through a search engine, but these days the search
sites seem pretty good at filtering them out - or at least that is my
experience (largely with Google).<br><br>
<dd>Alan<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>At 21/05/2017 03:11 AM, Kan Kaili wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd><font size=2>Hi again,<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>This article may have nothing to do with Google. Sorry for that
... (although Google did provide the platform for these
activities)<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>However, it also tells how to make money at the end-users' expense
quite a few years ago. Over time, according to some research, this
has already grown into an industry by itself.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>This is one of the reasons why the At-Large community needs to look
into domain parking.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Kaili<br>
<dd> </font>
<dl>
<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From: <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond</a>
<dd>To:
<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">
alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>
<dd>Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 2:50 PM
<dd>Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fw: Interesting article about parked domains<br>
<dd>Dear Kaili,<br>
<dd>that article dates from 2010. Google has since retired Adsense for
domains.<br><br>
<dd>
<a href="https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105321-703054909&ctx=as2&rd=1">
https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/2456470?visit_id=1-636309457565105321-703054909&ctx=as2&rd=1</a>
<br>
<dd>Kindest regards,<br>
<dd>Olivier<br><br>
<dd>ps. the author is the owner of GroovyPost which has nothing to do
with Google.<br>
<dd>On 21/05/2017 08:22, Kan Kaili
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd><font size=2>Hi,</font>
<dd>
<dd><font size=2>Thanks a lot for sharing. Just read the article
titled "Make Easy Money from Your Parked Domains with Google AdSense
for Domains". </font>
<dd> <font size=2>
<dd>
<a href="https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-make-money-from-parked/">
https://www.groovypost.com/howto/google/google-adsense-for-domains-review-make-money-from-parked/</a>
<br>
<dd>This article by Google itself teaches you how to make money from
parked domains, although at the expense of consumers and
end-users.</font></blockquote>
<dd>
<dd><font size=2>I am used to think of Google as "DO NO
EVIL". Well, maybe not always ... :(</font>
<dd>
<dd><font size=2>Kaili</font>
<dd>
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