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On 3/3/17 12:33 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:<br>
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whole process is insane.</div>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Is
the Business Constituency ever asked if it represents or
speaks for every business -- domain owner or not -- in the
world? Is NPOC asked if it represents every NGO? Do the people
who attend from law enforcement speak for all police and
military?</div>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Contracted
parties -- ie, the domain industry -- generally do have
reasonably full representation, in part because there are
relatively few players and in part because they are so fully
invested in -- and dependent on -- ICANN's pseudo-regulation
more than other communities or constituencies.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">But it seems that At-Large alone is
singled out for this kind of analysis, because -- unlike the
others -- we wouldn't be able to be involved without the
charitable resources -- travel and staff support -- that
ICANN bequeaths upon us. Such support clearly bothers other
communities who believe that we are skimming off revenues
THEY bring to ICANN just so we can trash them.</div>
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<div>In my experience, the "who the hell are YOU speaking
for?" comment has been used whenever we have something to
say that poses a legitimate end-user-driven challenge to
ICANN's standard operation. Hearing that in a debate would
embolden me because it indicates that our logic and evidence
was superior and the only rebuttal was to challenge our
legitimacy.</div>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">At
the end of the day, we do the job that is asked of us to the
extent we are able -- that is, to bring the end-user point of
view into ICANN to the best of our individual capabilities.
That is all that Bylaw 12.2(d) asks of us and I believe we
have generally done that as well as possible given the
constraints in place. We try to bring forth such a PoV
informed by a geographical and linguistic diversity unmatched
elsewhere in ICANN except for the GAC. But even here we are
deeply flawed, considering how the regions are sliced and a
structure that is so complex so as to churn more volunteer
time on process than on policy input.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Still,
there is decent output. I see our policy diversions from NCSG
as a (positive) reflection that grassroots population don't
always share the same priorities and perspectives of the civil
society that is supposedly protecting it. This divergence
exists on the street, so seeing it in play within ICANN tells
me that At-Large is indeed doing a reasonable -- and
surprisingly accurate -- job at conveying the end-user
perspective.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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or not we get listened to is a different story.</div>
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Evan</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 2 March 2017 at 23:54, Alberto Soto
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with Alan. I would just add that those 10 chosen, and the
rest of<br>
the non-elected members, through their ALS are the FINAL
USER-RALOS-ALAC<br>
ICANN interface. And through them feedback is done with the
end users. From<br>
there it is clear that we interpret and defend the interests
of the end<br>
users.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Alberto<br>
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En nombre de Alan Greenberg<br>
Enviado el: Friday, March 3, 2017 1:34 AM<br>
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Asunto: [ALAC] The Role of the At-Large Community -
Discussion with the<br>
Board<br>
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One of the topics suggested (by Rinalia) for discussion
with the Board in<br>
CPH is the challenges of engaging with end-users.<br>
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I would like to start the discussion by presenting the
results of Table 3 in<br>
the At-Large Review report describing a survey question
on the role of the<br>
A-L Community.<br>
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The question read: In your opinion which of the
following statements most<br>
accurately describes the role played by the At-Large
Community within ICANN?<br>
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There were five answers shown here with the % of
Board/SO/AC respondents for<br>
each option.<br>
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1. The At-Large Community is made up of ALSes and
individual RALO members<br>
that mainly act in their own interests. (58%)<br>
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2. The At-Large Community is made up of At-Large
Structures (ALSes) and<br>
individual RALO members that engage in ICANN policy
development processes on<br>
behalf of Internet end users worldwide. (13%)<br>
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3. At-Large is the body within ICANN that allows all
Internet end-users to<br>
engage in ICANN policy development processes in an equal
and<br>
non-discriminatory fashion. (6%)<br>
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4. The At-Large Community is made up of At-Large
Structures (ALSes) and<br>
individual RALO members that effectively engage with the
global community of<br>
Internet end-users in a bottom-up, consensus- driven
fashion. (13%)<br>
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5. The elected members of the ALAC have a mandate to
speak in the interests<br>
and on behalf of end users in ICANN policy development
processes. (10%)<br>
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My analysis:<br>
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1. is largely correct. ALSes are independent entities
that generally exist<br>
outside of the ICANN context. They of course act in
their own interests<br>
(which may well coincide with the interests of other
including the interests<br>
of 3.5 billion users. However, by consolidating these
regionally diverse<br>
inputs, the RALOs and the ALAC can reasonably claim to
represent the needs<br>
and interests of users world-wide.<br>
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2. is also correct. We certainly do need to get MORE
people involved, but if<br>
the component parts listed in 2 are not us, who are we?<br>
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3. is impossible. How can ANYTHING claim to engage all
3.5 billion users, or<br>
even provide the mechanisms to allow such participation?
Do 6% of<br>
respondents really think we do??<br>
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4. is either impossible if it implies that ALSes and
individual members<br>
engage with the ENTIRE global community, or is a
reasonable target if we<br>
mean that each part engages in some subset of their
local community, or is<br>
based on experience with such a community.<br>
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5. is false. No one of the 10 RALO-selected (presumably
that is what they<br>
meant by "elected") Member has a mandate to speak on
behalf of all users or<br>
the users of their region. But together, along with the
NomCom-appointed<br>
Members have a mandate to formulate statements which
they believe will serve<br>
the global user community well.<br>
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What do people think of this analysis?<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
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