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    Dear all,<br>
    I'm also in favour of option 2 in which the process sounds fair.<br>
    Regards<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/06/2016 06:50, Seun Ojedeji a
      écrit :<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">Hi Alan,</p>
      <p dir="ltr">I am not sure I agree that supporters of leading
        contestant will go for the weakest among the 2 tied contestants.
        I believe they will just go for their second preferred candidate
        which cannot be termed weakest (in politics, the weakest is the
        one with the lowest votes ;-) ).</p>
      <p dir="ltr">The other point is that, if the ballot has option of
        abstaining(or "none of the above"), those who are so convinced
        may also use that as well. </p>
      <p dir="ltr">Overall I think the goal is to go for something
        almost close to best and fair, I think option 2 satisfies that.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
      <p dir="ltr">Sent from my LG G4<br>
        Kindly excuse brevity and typos</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On 16 Jun 2016 5:43 a.m., "Alan
        Greenberg" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>
        wrote:<br type="attribution">
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            As I said, I think that option 2 will lead to strategic
            voting where the
            supporters of the leading candidate may vote for the WEAKEST
            candidate
            instead of for their preferred choice (among the two), and I
            believe that
            in the final race, we should have the two strongest
            candidates against
            each other. <br>
            <br>
            You are correct that option 1 brings the leading contestant
            in, but
            option 2 allows the electors who support this candidate to
            vote (since we
            could not exclude them!)<br>
            <br>
            But clearly others have a different views. Makes life
            interesting!<br>
            <br>
            Alan<br>
            <br>
            At 15/06/2016 12:22 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
            <br>
            <blockquote type="cite">I would agree with Tijani's
              option as well, for similar reason; I think it's just fair
              not to bring
              the leading contestant in the tie breaking process between
              2 other
              contestants.<br>
              <br>
              Regards<br>
              <br>
              Regards<br>
              <br>
              Sent from my LG G4<br>
              Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
              On 15 Jun 2016 16:59, "Tijani BEN JEMAA"
              <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" target="_blank">
                tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>> wrote:<br>
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                <dd><font color="#002E7A">Hi Alan,</font><br>
                  <font color="#002E7A"><br>
                  </font></dd>
                <dd><font color="#002E7A">My inclination is to option 2.
                    I find it more logical and preserve
                    the right of the candidate with the best score. I
                    think that the first
                    vote is done without side consideration, means that
                    each electorate
                    member will vote for their preferred candidate, and
                    its result is the
                    more relevant with the electorate choice. So, it’s
                    fair to respect it
                    and keep the candidate with the best score and rerun
                    the vote to break
                    the tie between the tied candidates.<br>
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                <dd>Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
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                <dd>Executive Director<br>
                </dd>
                <dd>Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations
                  (FMAI)<br>
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                <dd>Phone: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    <dd>Le 10 juin 2016 Ã  22:22, Alan Greenberg
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"
                        target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
                      > a Ã©crit :<br>
                      <br>
                    </dd>
                    <dd>In the Rules of Procedure revision that I sent a
                      few days ago, there
                      are several options to one of the voting stages in
                      the selection of the
                      At-Large Director. The RoP revision group did not
                      reach unanimity on
                      which option to pick (largely because of the
                      deadline required to sent
                      the revision to the ALAC to allow us to approve
                      the revisions in
                      Helsinki).<br>
                      <br>
                    </dd>
                    <dd>The options have to do with the reduction of
                      three candidates to two.
                      In the optimal case, one of the three candidates
                      will have fewer votes
                      (or first preference votes) and will be dropped,
                      resulting in two
                      candidates being left. The difficulty arises if
                      the two candidates tie
                      for last place, but with the leading candidate not
                      receiving an absolute
                      majority of votes needed to be declared the final
                      winner.<br>
                      <br>
                    </dd>
                    <dd>Option 1: Re-run the entire three-way election,
                      with the hope that
                      some positions may have changed. This would be
                      done just once. If the
                      second vote results in a tie for the last position
                      (even if it is not the
                      same pair as the first time), one of those tied is
                      eliminated based on a
                      verifiable random selection. The down side of this
                      method is that no one
                      may alter their vote and we would have to use a
                      random
                      selection.<br>
                      <br>
                    </dd>
                    <dd>Option 2: Have a run-off vote between the two
                      tied candidates. If the
                      results between the two is tied, a verifiable
                      random selection would be
                      used to eliminate one of them. The down side of
                      this option is something
                      called "strategic voting". Those electors who
                      originally voted
                      for the leading candidate (the one not in this
                      runoff) may not vote for
                      the  person they prefer, but could vote for the
                      one they perceive as
                      the weakest opponent to their preferred candidate.<br>
                      <br>
                    </dd>
                    <dd>Option 3: There will be no 2nd vote. One of the
                      two tied candidates
                      will be dropped based on a verifiable random
                      selection.<br>
                      <br>
                    </dd>
                    <dd>Option 4: Use the same STV voting as would be
                      used in the first round
                      (to narrow the slate down to three). The BigPulse
                      STV system will always
                      eliminate one candidate, but if it must resort to
                      a random selection, it
                      would be internal to the voting system and would
                      not be verifiable (ie it
                      would have to be trusted to have used a truly
                      random selection.<br>
                      <br>
                    </dd>
                    <dd>Since the ALAC will have to decide on a which
                      option to use, it would
                      be good to begin the discussion now and not wait
                      for
                      Helsinki.</dd>
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