<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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All appointments, unless explicitly otherwise, terminate at the end of
the AGM. My message said the person selected by the formal process would
serve for the 2016-2017 ICANN year which begins at the end of the
Hyderabad meeting.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>SO: Which was clear, but the appointment we require right now is the temporary one until we seat the permanent one in Hyderabad <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br>
The GAC meets throughout the week, just as the ALAC does. I don't think
we would be well served in appointing a sitting ALAC member. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>SO: Okay thats fair enough, although we indeed currently have sitting ALAC member serve as Liaison for other groups that run parallel with ALAC sessions as well (while Maureen may grumbling, I have not observed it in her work ;-) ). Nevertheless i get your point, but my point was that this temporary person will just be there for less than 6months (to terminate at Hyderabad), is the intention to make the person permanent? <br><br>I will assume we have been able to figure out how to get someone (yet to be selected) to Helsinki within this short time which is one of the reason why having someone who already have funding fill in for that period may be more feasible(it musn't be ALAC member though). <br><br></div><div>Regards<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br>
Alan<span class=""><br><br>
At 14/06/2016 03:31 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br><br>
</span><blockquote type="cite"><span class="">Hi,<br><br>
The way I understand Alan's mail is that the appointment can't wait till
Helsinki, it implies that it indeed needs to be done this week (if the
intention is for the person to be at Helsinki).<br><br>
That said, I think It needs be cristal clear how long an interim period
will be. Thinking aloud; I am wondering why we can't just appoint someone
within ALAC(or who already have existing role) temporarily instead of
selecting someone from the community who will just be there for a few
months.<br><br>
Regards<br><br>
Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
On 14 Jun 2016 7:34 a.m., "sandra hoferichter"
<<a href="mailto:info@hoferichter.eu" target="_blank">info@hoferichter.eu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<dd><span class="">Addition: the appointment should be made by consensus, to avoid
lengthy calls or voting procedures. ALAC could use the F2F time in HEL
and decide (find consensus). <br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">It is an interim so don't lets over complicate the process!<br><br>
</span></dd><dd>Best Sandra<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">(Note: This message was sent from my iPhone - I do apologise for any
misspelling.)<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">Am 14.06.2016 um 08:25 schrieb sandra hoferichter
<<a href="mailto:info@hoferichter.eu" target="_blank">info@hoferichter.eu</a>>:<br>
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<dd><span class="">The two issues are interrelated:<br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">1. Setting up a nomination committee<br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">2. deciding about the GAC liaison as an interim position now - or
later about a permanent seat. <br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">The first should (can not) not be done in a rush but is needed for
any permanent ALAC position including the GAC liaison. <br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">For the second point: it is wise not to lose the momentum and go for
a interim appointment even without a nomination committee. <br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">In this respect I agree with Sebastiens proposal: "ALT
will make a recommendation to ALAC who will appoint an interim<br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki."<br><br>
</span></dd><dd>Best Sandra<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">(Note: This message was sent from my iPhone - I do apologise for any
misspelling.)<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">Am 14.06.2016 um 05:37 schrieb León Felipe Sánchez AmbÃa
<<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>
>:<br><br>
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<dd>Dear all,<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">While I like the proposed way forward by Tijani, I think it is of the
essence that we fill the Liaisons seats temporarily ASAP (that means
before Helsinki).<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">Therefore, I support option 2 which I transcribe for avoidance of
doubt:<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim
Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.<br><br>
<br>
</span></dd><dd>Best regards,<br><br>
<br>
</dd><dd>León<br><br>
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<dd>El 13/06/2016, a las 4:00 p.m., Alan Greenberg
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> escribió:<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">You are saying that we should leave the GAC Liaison position open for
Helsinki (since there certainly is no time to do this before), and
probably the CSC Liaisons as well (with a deadline in July). <br><br>
</span></dd><dd>I think that unwise.<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">Other ALAC members please comment.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd>Alan<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">At 13/06/2016 12:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:<br>
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<dd><font color="#002E7A">Alan and all,</font><br>
<font color="#002E7A"><br>
</font></dd><dd><font color="#002E7A">The opinion I expressed in the ALT and that I̢۪m reiteiterating
here is the following: </font></dd>
<dd><span class=""><font color="#002E7A">Create a selection committee composed of
<ul>
<li>one member from each region selected by the RALO
</li><li>Five members from ALAC selected by the respective RALOs
</li><li>one non voting chair selected by ALAC
</li></ul>
<li>The selection committee will count 10 people regionally balanced with
5 ALAC members and 5 non ALAC member plus the chair
</li><li>Create a charter for the selection committee including mission and
working methods
</li><li>Create selection criteria for each position. If another position is
created, the selection criteria will be augmented by the criteria for the
new position.
</li><li>All selections without exception shall go through the selection
committee
</li><li>All recommendations of the selection committee shall be submitted to
the ALAC
</li><li>The ALAC will have the final word about any appointment or nomination
for all the position. It can not follow the recommendation of the
selection committee if there are clear and justified reasons.
</li></font><br>
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Le 12 juin 2016 Ã 17:44, Alan Greenberg
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br><br>
As you know, during the meeting with the GAC in Marrakech, we proposed
that the GAC and the ALAC exchange Liaisons. Although there were no
details of exactly how to go about this, the idea was accepted by the
GAC.<br><br>
The Chair of the GAC has now given his approval for the ALAC to proceed
and identify the person who will serve as its Liaison. Although there is
nothing formal in this regard, it is clear to me that whoever we propose
must be acceptable to the GAC (or more particularly to GAC leadership).
That process was followed with the GNSO Liaison to the GAC and I think it
would be unreasonable to do otherwise here - this entire concept must
depend on trust and good faith.<br><br>
In terms of qualifications, the person must be familiar with and have the
confidence of the ALAC, and at the same time, understand governments and
preferably the GAC. I believe that there are a number of people in our
community who meet these requirements.<br><br>
Following consultation with the ALT, it appears that there are a few
issues.<br><br>
a) It is clear that we do not have the time to initiate a formal call for
nominations and the selection process that will follow it if the person
is to be seated in Helsinki.<br><br>
b) This is a important step and we want transparency in the
process.<br><br>
c) It would be very foolish if we did not take up the offer and appoint
someone in time for the Helsinki meeting. Having a Liaison to the GAC is
something that we have been wanting for a long time, and we have no
control over how the GAC's position might change if we leave the position
unfilled.<br><br>
d) On the long term, we will have to ensure that we have travel support
for this new Liaison, but on the short term, we have the travel slots for
the ccNSO and GNSO Liaisons which are not needed by the incumbents
(Maureen is funded as an ALAC Member and Olivier as the EURALO Chair) and
we have recently been given permission to use these slots as we
wish.<br><br>
After consultation with the ALT, I would like to propose the
following:<br><br>
1. Once we have the ALAC Selection committee in place, and in ample time
prior to the Annual General Meeting to be held in Hyderabad, we initiate
a formal call for nominations; have the selection committee make its
recommendation(s) to the ALAC; and appoint a Governmental Advisory
Committee Liaison (subject to GAC approval) for the 2016-2017
year.<br><br>
2. We delegate to the ALT the responsibility to appoint an interim
Liaison to the GAC to start in Helsinki.<br><br>
I would like to initiate a consensus call on this, so please make any
comments quickly, and be clear if you have concerns with the premises
(a-d) or the proposals (1-2) and any alternative proposals.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
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