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I now think I understand the issue here, and it is indeed an issue of how
the ALAC works.<br><br>
In Dublin, there was a discussion of how to endorse the candidates, and
I, in this original e-mail, laid out that path, saying the how the
endorsement group would be composed, suggesting that it be delegated the
responsibility to formally endorse without reverting to the ALAC, and
asking ALAC Members and RALO leadership to identify the people.<br><br>
You (Seun) disagreed with the delegation part. I explained by I thought
that this was not needed but said we would see what other people thought,
and you suggested that instead we use the entire ALAC to do the
endorsement. No one else commented on either your original objection or
your new suggestion.<br><br>
The ALAC, to the extent possible, works by consensus. That applies not
only to formal suggestions, but to discussions in general. Consensus is
not formally "defined", but our Rules of Procedure say
"12.1.3.1 As a “rule of thumb”, Consensus is no less than 80% of the
sitting ALAC Members". So if only 1 or 2 ALAC members disagree with
something, we can still claim to have consensus. with 3/15 (20%), it is
right on the line and I would probably not declare a consensus is in that
case. In the case at hand, one person disagreed. That should not be
ignored (and I did explain why I disagreed), and no one else supported
your position. So I felt that there was a strong (but not unanimous)
consensus to proceed with the plan.<br><br>
Hopefully this particular case, and our general methodology is now
clear.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
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At 24/11/2015 03:59 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hello Alan,<br><br>
Just for the record, here is the follow-up mail I sent to the list and I
also sent you a private follow-up message when I did not hear from you
Alan (both of which did not receive a response).<br><br>
There was discussion on item 1 of what you said you required and there
was no indication on whether item 2 and 3 was in effect so I wrote
requesting confirmation of that. This could also be an issue with me
getting used to how ALAC operates but perhaps your response would have
helped.<br>
<br>
For the record, AFRALO would have organised her nominations just that
we(I) thought there was still discussion on item 1 and that item 2 and 3
was pending.<br><br>
Regards<br>
Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
On 18 Nov 2015 13:01, "Seun Ojedeji"
<<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>Hello Alan,<br><br>
<dd>Can you confirm if your proposal for 1 nomination each at ALAC and
RALO level respectively is now in effect? so regions can organise. Will
be good to know the deadline for the nomination.<br><br>
<dd>Regards<br><br>
<dd>Sent from my Asus Zenfone2<br>
<dd>Kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
<dd>On 18 Nov 2015 00:59, "Alan Greenberg"
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> wrote:<br>
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<dd>There is no formal rule against endorsing candidates who did not
identify ALAC in the application. However, I see little merit in
evaluating all 72 applications, and for the reasons that Cheryl,
outlines, I do not think it proper for us to unilaterally
"adopt" a candidate.<br><br>
<dd>If you know of someone who you think we should consider, please let
me know and I will contact them privately.<br><br>
<dd>Alan<br><br>
<dd>At 17/11/2015 12:50 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<br>
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<dd>That is a good idea, but I would prefer to do this endorsement and
then establish the rules associated with the group's ongoing task. There
is not enough time to do that properly and have it formally sanctioned by
the ALAC and then get this endorsement carried out.<br><br>
<dd>Regarding selection of candidates who did not identify ALAC of a
target group. Good question. I will look into it.<br><br>
<dd>Alan<br><br>
<dd>At 17/11/2015 02:39 AM, SĂ©bastien Bachollet wrote:<br>
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<dd>Thanks Alan for putting the proposal together,<br>
<dd>I support your proposal.<br>
<dd>It is important that we embarque in this choice both ALAC and the
Ralos.<br><br>
<dd>However, can we have this group set-up for one year and to be in
charge of<br>
<dd>all the endorsements during that year?<br><br>
<dd>One question: Can we support people even if they didnÂąt ask for
ALAC<br>
<dd>endorsement?<br><br>
<dd>All the best<br><br>
<br>
<dd>Skills are useful but diversity is essential.<br><br>
<dd>SĂ©bastien Bachollet<br>
<dd><a href="tel:%2B33%206%2007%2066%2089%2033">+33 6 07 66 89
33</a><br>
<dd>Blog:
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http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/</a><br>
<dd>Mail: SĂ©bastien Bachollet
<<a href="mailto:sebastien@bachollet.com">sebastien@bachollet.com</a>
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<dd>Le 17/11/2015 03:12, « Alan Greenberg »<br>
<dd><<a href="mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">
alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> on behalf of<br>
<dd><a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> a Ă©crit :<br><br>
<dd>>In Dublin I suggested that the ALT recommend who to endorse for
the<br>
<dd>>Competition, Consumer Trust and Consumer Choice Review Team and
there<br>
<dd>>was a strong feeling within the ALAC that this responsibility not
be<br>
<dd>>given to the ALT. The applicants have now been announced and we
need<br>
<dd>>to decide who to endorse<br>
<dd>
>-<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/reviews/aoc/cct/applications">
https://www.icann.org/resources/reviews/aoc/cct/applications</a>.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>I suggest that we use the same composition for the selection team
as<br>
<dd>>we have for a number of other recent groups, for each region,
one<br>
<dd>>ALAC Member selected by the Members from that region, and one
person<br>
<dd>>selected by the RALO leadership. No one who has submitted an<br>
<dd>>application is eligible to serve of the endorsement group. All
team<br>
<dd>>members will need to:<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>- Be familiar with the purpose of the Review<br>
<dd>
>(<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/call-volunteers-cct-rt-2015-10-01-e">
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/call-volunteers-cct-rt-2015-10-01-e</a>
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<dd>>n).<br>
<dd>>- Review the Applications.<br>
<dd>>- Prepare a brief evaluation of each candidate (details to be
provided).<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>Endorsements are due no later than 14 December.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>Nine people indicated that they were seeking ALAC endorsements,
five<br>
<dd>>seeking only an ALAC endorsement, and four list multiple
alternatives.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>I am happy to have the ALAC delegate the endorsements to this
group,<br>
<dd>>and if the ALAC agrees, there will be no need for the ALAC to
ratify<br>
<dd>>the endorsements.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>We will be scheduling the first (and possibly only) meeting of
the<br>
<dd>>group for the week on November 30th, so please submit names
within<br>
<dd>>the next week to ensure that we can select a suitable time for
the<br>
<dd>>meeting.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>To be clear, I am looking for:<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>1. Any objections to having the group make the endorsements
without<br>
<dd>>further ALAC action.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>2. The name of the ALAC member from each region to participate in
the<br>
<dd>>endorsement process.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>3. The name of the regional appointee from each region to
participate<br>
<dd>>in the endorsement process.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>>Alan<br>
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