<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Evan<div><br></div><div>I’d add a sixth to your list:</div><div><br></div><div>The F2F WG meetings where those of us who have been on weekly WG calls get to actually meet, have conversations, cups of coffee etc. <br><div><div>On 10 Aug 2015, at 4:23 am, Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>Holly</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On 9 August 2015 at 19:15, Maureen Hilyard </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Evan, what you are saying contradicts ICANN's stated commitment to the multistakeholder bottom-up approach.</p></blockquote><div><span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">You'll have to tell me how I said that, because I can't make the connection between my comment and your response.</span><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">But, just so my own PoV is clear, I now believe that what is generally known as "multistakeholderism", especially in the ICANN context, is in the eye of the beholder and variously manipulated to serve political needs. There are multiple tiers of stakeholders; indeed some of the multi-class categorizations are right in the ICANN bylaws. ACs versus SOs, to start with.</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr"> Volunteer contributions are ignored in favour of those in whom a heavy financial investment has been made to make decisions for the Board.</p></blockquote><div><span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">I don't think I said anything to contradict that. In fact the above (to me) is more demonstrable fact than opinion.</span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr"> Their presence at an ALAC meeting for 20 mins is hardly going to make any real impact on what they already propose to do.</p></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">I would be the first to agree that the typical parade of talking heads and Powerpoints at ICANN meetings is ineffective. This is why I explicitly put forward the premise, in my original comment, that "m<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">aybe some of our most important travel is NOT to ICANN meetings".</span></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr"> Except for the meetings we have with David Olive and Steve Crocker which I enjoy because I think there is a mutual respect for honesty, I always view those other sessions with the hierarchy as top-down tokenism. What really changes that is of importance to the ALAC?</p></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">You're right. Sometimes I think that, with five exceptions, everything ALAC needs to do at ICANN meetings could be done as well virtually as in person:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><ol><li>The meetings with Steve, agreed fully<br></li><li>The 50% of the meetings with the Board when they don't wake up grumpy<br></li><li>Interactions with the GAC -- not common but very important when they happen</li><li>The social interaction (that IMO indeed helps productivity)<br></li><li>The public forum (when we have something to say; it's unfortunate but true that a three minute speech at the mike gets as much staff attention as a months-long process to create advice)<br></li></ol></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Except for the social interaction, none of the things above requires 27 people;</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">(15 ALAC + 5 RALO Chairs + 5 RALO Secretariats + 2 SO liaisons = 27)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I would also like to congratulate Glenn on his mentorship of his new ALS members at the GA.</p></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Agreed, but that's not really relevant to my comments. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">- Evan</div></div><div><br></div></div>
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