<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks Maureen, Evan ad Alan<div><br></div><div>My first thought is to welcome the discussion - not only on what’s gone wrong but what we can and should do about it.</div><div><br></div><div>And I also agree with the concern that a 20 minute presence is not impact.</div><div><br></div><div>I hate to say it but the tiny bit of difference we can make comes from the hard slog - meeting after meeting in WGs where decisions are made.</div><div><br></div><div>And finally, and again, mentorship is a very positive thing we all should be doing and my congratulations to Glen - and a bit of shame on my face</div><div><br></div><div>Holly<br><div><div>On 10 Aug 2015, at 3:15 am, Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">Evan, what you are saying contradicts ICANN's stated commitment to the multistakeholder bottom-up approach. Volunteer contributions are ignored in favour of those in whom a heavy financial investment has been made to make decisions for the Board. Their presence at an ALAC meeting for 20 mins is hardly going to make any real impact on what they already propose to do. Except for the meetings we have with David Olive and Steve Crocker which I enjoy because I think there is a mutual respect for honesty, I always view those other sessions with the hierarchy as top-down tokenism. What really changes that is of importance to the ALAC?</p><p dir="ltr">I would also like to congratulate Glenn on his mentorship of his new ALS members at the GA. I think we were all doing this on a lesser scale but his was a more practical and coordinated introduction to the ICANN system for ALSes. Under the new meeting structures, regional leaders and the ALAC will be able to specifically prepare outreach /inreach /capacity building programmes for ALSes on a more regular basis, not just at GAs, but capturing local ALSes and others who may attend. This review isnt just about OUR expectations of ALSes, our own responsibilities should also be clarified.</p><p dir="ltr">Maureen</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 9/08/2015 5:09 am, "Evan Leibovitch" <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On 9 August 2015 at 03:21, Alan Greenberg </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Although ALAC Members and RALO Leaders may well fall into all categories,
those tahat fall into category 3 on a regular basis should be dealt with
directly, and the others we have little choice but to accept. At least
for their first term.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">I stand by my point. Over the years I have been aware of leadership that, despite widespread awareness of minimal participation, continue to be re-elected because of other factors.</div></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">How much time do we spend collecting data for report cards and pondering how to punish, time that could be better spent on the massive task of making ICANN accessible to the global public? Not only do we lose person-hours directly from non-productive leadership, we doubly lose by churning so much volunteer energy (from the "workers") identifying and designing punishments for them. Futile punishments.</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Of deeper concern and the ones I focused on when
answering were those for whom we support as ALS representatives.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">So far that support has been limited attendance at Summits, either global or regional. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">(And those events tend to be heavily surrounded by surveys, reports, attendance sheets, mandatory debriefs and other measures.)</div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Otherwise, how do we support ALS reps? They get to vote for their RALO and ALAC reps, they are subscribed to mailing lists and -- very, very occasionally -- explicitly solicited for their informed opinions on specific At-Large policy directions. (And by policy directions I don't mean the recurring knee-jerk reactions to whatever is on this week's public comment calendar.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">If you're going to respond that ALS-leadership participation in Summits constitutes "support" to ALSs, you fall into the trap that Carlton so well identified.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><b>Bringing ALS leaders to ICANN is a service to ICANN, not to the ALS leaders.</b></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">The "perk" of travel is more than offset by the treatment of At-Large volunteers as a cost centre, and ICANN's unwillingness to make its working accessible in plain language once they arrive to participate.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote type="cite">for better or worse, we either need to make the ALS/RALO
structure work, or reduce its visibility and cost. As it is, it is both
expensive (not necessarily in money, but in time and focus) and opens us
up to strong (and at times valid) criticism<br></blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">This fear of criticism has forever been a source of self-censorship, timidity and eventually the non-factor that ALAC has actually played in ICANN policy decisions. We need look no further than ICANN's treatment of the PIC issue, over which ALAC made as much noise and attention as it possibly could, to witness how little was actually achieved in changing ICANN's direction.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">So... how much does anyone else fear OUR criticism?</div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">This fear also prevents us from true big-picture thinking of how to bet serve our mandate. Before we agonize over how to tinker with the org chart, let's be clear of the objectives. The radical measures that would be necessary to truly re-envision the ALS/RALO scheme, to make ICANN more receptive to the need of end-users, appears beyond scope of the review. (Arguably, it's also a decade too late, so much damage has already been done, I truly question whether the damage is reversible.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">It doesn't help that the reviewers tend to be clueless and/or biased in favour of serving ICANN's need to keep us marginalized.</div></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">"If we rock the boat too hard we will lose <something>" .... the specific <something> has changed over the years, but this internalized fear of criticism has become a constant, a core cause of ALAC's self-imposed ceiling of influence.</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">- Evan</div></div>
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