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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Given the level of discussion, I have
bumped this up in priority for today's NARALO call<br>
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On 8/10/15 6:46 AM, Holly Raiche wrote:<br>
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Hi Evan
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<div>I’d add a sixth to your list:</div>
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<div>The F2F WG meetings where those of us who have been on weekly
WG calls get to actually meet, have conversations, cups of
coffee etc. <br>
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<div>On 10 Aug 2015, at 4:23 am, Evan Leibovitch <<a
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<div>Holly</div>
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style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On 9 August 2015
at 19:15, Maureen Hilyard </span><span dir="ltr"
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<p dir="ltr">Evan, what you are saying contradicts
ICANN's stated commitment to the multistakeholder
bottom-up approach.</p>
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<div><span style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">You'll have to tell me how I said
that, because I can't make the connection between
my comment and your response.</span><br>
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But, just so my own PoV is clear, I now believe
that what is generally known as
"multistakeholderism", especially in the ICANN
context, is in the eye of the beholder and
variously manipulated to serve political needs.
There are multiple tiers of stakeholders; indeed
some of the multi-class categorizations are right
in the ICANN bylaws. ACs versus SOs, to start
with.</div>
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<p dir="ltr"> Volunteer contributions are ignored in
favour of those in whom a heavy financial
investment has been made to make decisions for the
Board.</p>
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<div><span style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">I don't think I said anything to
contradict that. In fact the above (to me) is more
demonstrable fact than opinion.</span></div>
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<p dir="ltr"> Their presence at an ALAC meeting for
20 mins is hardly going to make any real impact on
what they already propose to do.</p>
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would be the first to agree that the typical
parade of talking heads and Powerpoints at ICANN
meetings is ineffective. This is why I explicitly
put forward the premise, in my original comment,
that "m<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">aybe
some of our most important travel is NOT to
ICANN meetings".</span></div>
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<p dir="ltr"> Except for the meetings we have with
David Olive and Steve Crocker which I enjoy
because I think there is a mutual respect for
honesty, I always view those other sessions with
the hierarchy as top-down tokenism. What really
changes that is of importance to the ALAC?</p>
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You're right. Sometimes I think that, with five
exceptions, everything ALAC needs to do at ICANN
meetings could be done as well virtually as in
person:</div>
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<li>The meetings with Steve, agreed fully<br>
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<li>The 50% of the meetings with the Board when
they don't wake up grumpy<br>
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<li>Interactions with the GAC -- not common but
very important when they happen</li>
<li>The social interaction (that IMO indeed
helps productivity)<br>
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<li>The public forum (when we have something to
say; it's unfortunate but true that a three
minute speech at the mike gets as much staff
attention as a months-long process to create
advice)<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Except
for the social interaction, none of the things
above requires 27 people;</div>
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style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">(15
ALAC + 5 RALO Chairs + 5 RALO Secretariats + 2 SO
liaisons = 27)</div>
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<p dir="ltr">I would also like to congratulate Glenn
on his mentorship of his new ALS members at the
GA.</p>
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Agreed, but that's not really relevant to my
comments. </div>
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Evan</div>
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