[ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.

Fri Sep 18 20:52:12 UTC 2020

You said it so well, Yrjo, I totally agree.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:23 AM Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I very much agree with Alan.  Travel is necessary part of our volunteer
> work, not a reward. However exotic the venues, we’re mostly sitting in
> windowless rooms and actually working.   Plus spending days in transit to
> get there and back.
>
> Working togethe face to face three times a year  has created this
> extraordinarily functional global community that, for a time, can also
> sustain itself by virtual means  only. We still remember what people look
> like and see their body language when we listen to them on the Zoom.  But
> if we don’t go back to physical meetings soon, memories fade, links start
> eroding and entropy may set in.
>
> Yrjö
>
>
>
>
> On 18. Sep 2020, at 21.30, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> wrote:
>
> Agreed. If anything, we might say that the F2F meetings are an incentive
> to participate, interest with others,  network, etc., but travel is the
> wrong thing to say, I think.
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
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> *From:* ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alan
> Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2020 1:05:15 PM
> *To:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>; ALAC <
> alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
>
> Maureen, please do not say things like "But what replaces our more
> accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some
> exotic place around the world?"!!
>
> I am sure that for some, it is quite true that they volunteer for the
> travel rewards, but it is NOT the case for many, and it reflects SO
> BADLY on us.
>
> I have been to MANY exotic places on ICANN's dime. only rarely have I
> taken the time to experience them. And I have been to MANY places
> that I had no interest in visiting. If every ICANN meeting were held
> at a Los Angeles airport hotel, my attendance would not be different,
> and I suspect that is the same for you.
>
> So let's not encourage the concept that we consider travel a reward.
>
> Alan
>
>
> At 2020-09-17 09:02 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
> >Hi everyone
> >
> >I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and
> >wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to
> >matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending
> >towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to
> >address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and
> >our work with ICANN in general.
> >
> >I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had
> >an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of
> >his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload
> >issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should
> >look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is
> >being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own
> >cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the
> >intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the
> >benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation.
> >
> >Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected
> >to have such a high level of input into an important organisational
> >output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also
> >experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it
> >is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain
> >committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what
> >replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an
> >ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle
> >of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
> >
> >Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey,
> >and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was
> >the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have
> >to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any
> >suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy
> >to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find
> >it. The discussion should be interesting.
> >
> >Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving
> >his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further
> >news on the Internet Grant.
> >
> >Comments welcome.
> >Maureen
> >Content-Type: application/pdf;
> >         name="At Large Meeting Workload Survey results Aug 2020-2.pdf"
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> 2020-2.pdf"
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