[ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.

Fri Sep 18 04:45:10 UTC 2020

I agree with Jonathan’s warning.  While I love the outcome of the Canadian study, the figures are not from the CRTC or other government instrumentality. And remember, from the ICANN Org finance point of view, we get airfare and accommodation and per diem three times a year (okay - not now, but have done - which is not, as they say in Australia ’small bickies”. )

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
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> I appreciate the sentiment but these are VERY dangerous calculations,  in this context. If we had better metrics on outreach,  it would help but that's the only place we are a possible economic contribution to the organization. In most instances, we are seen as a VERY expensive fig leaf. We just need to be careful of the path we start down.
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> Jonathan Zuck
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> From: ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:08:30 PM
> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Meeting with Goran 22 September 16.00utc.
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> Thanks  Maureen 
> I have beating the drum for a  while that  ICANN should be proactive in recognizing the value of the volunteer contribution.     Perhaps  ICANN can commission a study as they did in Canada  to demonstrate our value
> ie  "If measured, volunteering would add an estimated $56 billion to economic activity in 2017. Together with non-profit activities, the economic contribution rises to nearly $87 billion. But the benefits of volunteering spread beyond the value of additional hours worked."   source 
> https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20Canada%20Conf%20Board%20Final%20Report%20EN.pdf <https://volunteer.ca/vdemo/Campaigns_DOCS/Value%20of%20Volunteering%20in%20Canada%20Conf%20Board%20Final%20Report%20EN.pdf>
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> Glenn McKnight, MA 
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> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:03 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi everyone
> 
> I noted that in the threads related to discussions with Goran (and wrt the ALAC-Board meeting at ICANN69) there were references made to matters that were raised in the Workload Survey so that I am bending towards using this interaction with Goran as an opportunity to address some of our workload issues related to ICANN meetings and our work with ICANN in general.
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> I sent the Workload survey to Goran and others and soon after, had an opportunity to speak to it during our 1:1 discussion (as one of his normal SOAC Chair chats). He was sympathetic to the workload issues that were raised, and I asked whether perhaps ICANN should look at how they might appropriately recognise the work that is being done by some very active At-Large participants at their own cost - of precious down-time, energy, internet costs as well as the intellectual contribution they make on a weekly basis, all for the benefit of ICANN, with no expectation of compensation. 
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> Is it really acceptable in this day and age that people are expected to have such a high level of input into an important organisational output, for free? Especially in light of what many are also experiencing with regards to pandemic conditions and the impacts it is having on their daily lives? That volunteers across ICANN remain committed to this level of giving is really amazing. But what replaces our more accustomed reward for effort - of attending an ICANN meeting in some exotic place around the world? In the middle of a pandemic, do we have any answers?
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> Another topical discussion also mentioned in the Workload survey, and which was also raised in our SOAC Chairs meeting this week, was the idea of regional meetings. Goran suggested that things may have to be different for the future of ICANN meetings. If you have any suggestions as alternatives, then I am sure that he would be happy to hear them. I am re-attaching the report in case you can't find it. The discussion should be interesting.
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> Just to add, Leon will also be at the meeting, but he will be giving his usual update on Board activities. Maybe he will have further news on the Internet Grant. 
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> Comments welcome.
> Maureen
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