[ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations

Natalia Filina filinafilka at gmail.com
Sun Oct 11 21:18:52 UTC 2020


Dear Carlton,

Thank you so much for your response and a historical example of similar
ideas.
Yes, data,  the results of research and round-way interaction with
structures (whether they are our structures or external partners) are what
can be an additional direction for the efforts of the community, a strong
argument for decisions and an confirmation base,and independence on the
activity or silence of members who time to time lose their focus on the
ICANN work.

Glenn, it's a good idea - badging system! And of course 'to be part of girl
guides"-)))).

Best,
Natalia F.


вс, 11 окт. 2020 г. в 19:32, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <
Hadia at tra.gov.eg>:

> +1
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> *From:* ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Glenn
> McKnight
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2020 11:01 PM
> *To:* Natalia Filina
> *Cc:* ALAC
> *Subject:* Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
>
>
> I was thinking in part inspired by Natalia's comments that we need some
> sort of  'badging' system similar to Boy Scouts or Girl Guides when
> newcomers pass a series of  competency badges on route to be a super scout
> ( or whatever they are called, never joined.  I wanted to be part of girl
> guides. i never understood why any guy would want to be with a bunch of
> guys:)   This set of badges would be associated with our core deliverables
> so they spend time in each of the core areas ie. Some time in Social Media.
> some time with  the TTF, some time shadowing the policy folks ( similar to
> what ARIN and others do in mentoring a policy sheppard)   I would see
> someone emerging with a good general knowledge and they then can choose
> which part of Atlarge they want to focus upon.
>
> G
>
> Glenn McKnight, MA
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> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 4:40 PM Natalia Filina <filinafilka at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Great thoughts dear Carlton.
>
> I now imagined if At-Large is just the same group of activists.
> There are no ALSes. There are only these people.
> Experienced and committed leaders.
>
> And so, in order to bring end-users interests into the Policy development
> process, this group goes to external structures (the same ISOC chapters,
> Internet organizations, and user communities, lawyers, technical
> communities, researchers, academy) with surveys, questions, and requests to
> provide data for forming a summary of each case of PDP which discussed and
> commented on.
> And with coordinated work close to GSE this is seen probably a much more
> effective way to introduce regional interests and end-user voices into
> specific activities related not to the IG, not to content issues (where
> discussions are often held within the framework of ICANN meetings), but to
> domains and IP addresses area.
>
> In reality we have these structures with zero (for many) contributions.
> For numbers and statistics this is great. For moments when we need getting
> them involved - often impossible. We have them, but we can`t use this
> "ownership".
>
> (Just thinking of other forms of existence)
>
> Best,
> Natalia Filina.
>
>
>
>
>
> вт, 6 окт. 2020 г. в 22:42, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>:
>
> If I may, the overarching presumption of the RALO/ALS structure was that
> an ALS would be an existing organisation in a certain area of endeavour
> that had a compelling or even tangential interest in names and numbers
> policy development. Extend that presumption and you can see why variability
> in interest, in capacity and attention were normalised, not exceptional.
> Take ISOC chapters, constituting a significant membership count as ALS in
> RALOs around the globe. Not every ALS would have an interest in IDNs. And
> not every ALS could be aroused from slumber to rally around the sundry
> SubPro issues.  There is an explanation for the participation stats.
>
>
>
> The single-issue ALS is a later evolution; those that were raised purely
> to participate in ICANN for names and numbers policy. Those tend to be
> personality driven. And, usually tied to no more than two aspects of ICANN
> domain name policy development. The participation measurements will always
> be different here, too.
>
>
>
> The systemic issues surrounding the type of organisation, its philosophy
> and membership drive the kinds of outcomes for attention, interest and
> engagement we see. We could certainly wish it but see that big change we
> all slaving for and predicting to be just around the corner? We are '*waiting for
> Godot*'; it is not coming.
>
>
>
> There always will be just a compact [At-Large] grouping of those who care
> overall about the domain name system policy issues.  And in that compact
> there will be variability in the caring for this or that issue.  The
> challenge is to continually recruit to refresh this one. There is an even
> smaller number who care enough to invest the amount of time needed for
> effective contribution to policy development.  We have a winner when they
> are identified early from the previous grouping and then enabled in the
> ways the CPWG operations are attempting to.
>
>
>
> It is what it is.
>
>
>
> Carlton
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> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:21 AM Judith Hellerstein <
> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Alberto,
>
> Thanks for this message. When Glenn McKnight was Chair of Naralo And I was
> Secretariat what we did is to reach out via email and phone to all our
> ALSES and Individual members and see how we could get people active.  Often
> it was that they felt inundated with all the email and thus tuned out, but
> it was also that a change in leadership in their ALS meant that the new
> reps lacked an orientation to ICANN and At Large.  It also was that they
> did not know where to start.  This is why we started the survey to ask them
> what their issues were, what concerns they had and to try and find way to
> get them active on issues that they cared about.  We increased engagement
> in the NARALO monthly meetings from low percentages to about 60% and
> higher.  Now with the Pandemic we are using our monthly meetings to educate
> our members about key issues facing At Large and having key presentations
> for 45 out of the 60 minutes.  The meetings still have high attendance and
> we are also building up the capacity of our members.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Judith
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> judith at jhellerstein.com
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> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
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> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:22 AM, alberto at soto.net.ar wrote:
>
> 
>
> I agree with you Jonathan. For two periods I was LACRALO Chair. My biggest
> task was to get active participation. Our monthly meetings with 45 ALSs,
> had an attendance of seven or eight representatives. It was my first fight
> and I managed to increase my participation until I reached 31
> representatives out of 48 ALSs. But there was still that participation to
> be active. And I think it is a pending matter for all At-Large. And main
> point to achieve experienced leaders.
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Alberto
>
>
>
> *De:* ALAC <alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> *En nombre de *Jonathan
> Zuck
> *Enviado el:* martes, 6 de octubre de 2020 10:29
> *Para:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> *CC:* ALAC <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Asunto:* Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
>
>
>
> Thanks for the examples. I’m not sure I understand them but I will
> endeavor to do so.  If people were told that their opinions didn’t matter
> or they were prevented from expressing them then I  would agree that is a
> problem. If they were expressed and failed to take hold, that is more
> complex. If it is your notion that there was a kind of “silent majority”
> that, had we heard from them, WOULD have supported those divergent opinions
> then I would also agree we need a way to see those hands raised. I continue
> to be a fan of polling, such as can be embedded in a Loomio or Slack thread
> so that our “temperature of the room” calculations are not just based on
> who talks the most. Sadly, even when we poll in Zoom, on a call,
> participation is often lacking. If people cannot even be bothered to click
> on a button to participate, we have an awfully difficult task “coaxing”
> them to speak up, as you say. The cynic in me believes that many people are
> “on” calls to get their attendance numbers up and aren’t even paying
> attention to the discussion. I’m highly motivated to hear all voices within
> the At-Large and I believe we can do more to support those for whom English
> is not their first language. I am open to evidence and practical
> suggestions.
>
>
>
> THIS conversation was about leadership roles within the ALAC, however, and
> I’m quite certain that putting someone in a position of leadership doesn’t
> necessarily imply we will hear more from that person. We have plenty of
> silent participants on the ALAC as well.  I don’t think leadership should
> be a function of seniority per se but it SHOULD reflect a willingness to do
> the work. Consequently, we need to find solutions to greater participation
> in the rank and file work of the At-Large, in order to identify more
> diverse candidates for leadership. That’s my opinion.
>
>
>
> As for whether “all we do” falls within our roles, this might be where we
> disagree. I see an inordinate amount of discussion on process, rules of
> procedure and just basic grousing. These discussions are WAY out of
> proportion to our actual work. In fact,  I suspect if I compared the amount
> of text generated by these conversations and compared it to the amount of
> substantive outputs by the At-Large the results would be shocking. I’m not
> just talking about public comments here. I’m talking about outreach
> materials, communications plans, social media, etc. Output. Any
> organization that spends more cycles on self-evaluation than it does on
> output, which I believe is the case with the At-Large,  has a serious
> problem. I confess, I’m more focused on THAT problem at the moment because
> we are in a period of intense scrutiny, because we just came off an adverse
> review, we’re taking on the contracted parties on DNS Abuse, and there is a
> long held belief that we cannot get out of our own way.
>
>
>
> So, when I say I’m interested in diverse opinions, with regards to our
> “roles,” I mean our outputs. He thinks we should be saying this, she thinks
> we should be saying that, let’s resolve it. THOSE are the conversations
> that matter most.  Certainly, how we organize ourselves to have those
> conversations matters and how we make sure that all voices are heard in
> those conversations matters. It just seems to me that moving unheard voices
> around the organization, should be a lower priority.
>
>
>
> I hope that makes sense. I am happy to follow up offline.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> *Date: *Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 1:52 AM
> *To: *Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> *Cc: *Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>, Maureen Hilyard <
> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>, ALAC <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
>
>
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Yes you are right and we both have the same understanding about our role.
>
> I am sure everything we are doing fall within these two areas. Or is there
> anything that we do that doesn't.?
>
> However, if you insist I give examples, I give one as an illustration just
> so that you know that I know what am talking about:
>
> 1. Diverse opinions about ATLAS III reports
>
> 2. Divers opinions on ARIWG.
>
>
>
> Above are just examples. I would now ask you this: For the next ICANN
> meeting. I know you have written and sort for speakers. Can you think of
> how many of those speakers you reached out too bring in the diversity we
> talked about? You don't need to answer just think about it and give
> yourself an honest answer.
>
>
>
> These things can be frustrating for alot of people and the best way out
> for most is to" leave ' them 'to do it since they would not listen. After
> all am volunteering my time". That is why we sometimes have the numbers at
> meetings but they don't have the courage to raise thier hands and speak.
> But I think it's better we listen so that we don't become Belarus.
>
> I rest my case here and I talk no more on this thread.  A word is enough
> for the wise.
>
> AK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2020, 18:21 Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> wrote:
>
> It is my understanding that we have exactly TWO roles: participation in
> ICANN processes and outreach related to ICANN. When I'm speaking about
> diverse opinions, I'm speaking only with regards to our two roles. I am
> unaware of any exclusion, in that regard. Everything else is noise. If you
> have examples, any examples of diverse opinions being suppressed, or even
> disregarded in those two areas, I would really like to hear them and
> address them immediately.  Thanks.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.InnovatorsNetwork.org
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 5, 2020 3:18:32 AM
> *To:* Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> *Cc:* Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>; Maureen Hilyard <
> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>; ALAC <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
>
>
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Am really surprised you are not seeing these things. If I begin to list
> examples it would definitely take me  hours to type them out.
>
> More importantly it is important that we make sure we have a truly
> multi-stakeholder platform where we learn to listen to a diverse opinion.
>
>
>
> Yes that is not necessarily a part to leadership but  sometimes it takes
> conscious efforts to bring people out of thier comfort zone especially when
> your have dominating factors.It's not about how long it's about how well.
> There are peculiarities that must be accepted. Some are oppotuned to be
> born into a welfare state others it's survival for the fittest. What
> matters most is passion and commitment.
>
> Cheers
>
> AK
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2020, 22:36 Jonathan Zuck, <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> wrote:
>
> There's an active tool in place to silence any diverse opinion? What is
> that? A culture of silence and dominance? I apologize if I'm being dim but
> I'm not sure I see that either.
>
> There's nothing wrong at all with those with only an hour to give per
> week. I'm unclear, however, how to make that a path to leadership.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan Zuck
>
> Executive Director
>
> Innovators Network Foundation
>
> www.InnovatorsNetwork.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 4:48:37 PM
> *To:* Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>; Jonathan Zuck <
> JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> *Cc:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>; ALAC <
> alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ALAC] 2020-2021 ALT Call for Nominations
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thank you Glenn, for guiding the discussion. I totally agree with you. It
> is a multistakeholder platform and I often wonder when we talk about
> "expertise", and "values". I wonder what those things really mean in a
> multistakeholder platform because if there is something like an
> association of thick /unintelligent/idiots internet users they also have
> the right to be represented and be listened too. In terms of values, Yes I
> agree with values if we are talking about fairness, transparency and
> justice and rule of law but otherwise, I disagree. I usually give this
> example: talk about having CCTV cameras in kids classroom. Some parents in
> some part of the world would never allow it cos of privacy concerns and
> concerns about who would be having access to it but in some part of the
> world, the parents are asking for it because that is the best way to keep
> the child safe in the classroom. For the former group,  they see a lot of
> harm being done by the paedophile just watching but the later group the
> abuse is actually being carried out by the teachers or fellow pupil in
> class, so the parent is more comfortable with a 3rd party watching and
> reporting back to them. Both categories of parents have different values
> about CCTV based on their society but they are both right.
>
> Furthermore, We are all volunteers, some can afford to volunteer 18hrs a
> day while others can only volunteer 1 hour a day. This should not be a
> problem cos it meant to be complimentary. The main problem is the
> culture of silence and dominance. There is also an active tool in place to
> silent any diverse opinion. @Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org> that
> blocks those point of entries.
>
>
>
> AK
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 8:46 PM Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Maureen
>
> I understand your position and we are not in disagreement on the merit of
> experience but it doesn't take away from the rationale to consider  a most
> inclusive discussion.  We pride ourselves as being multistakeholder than we
> really should drink the kool-aid and invite diverse opinions.
>
> my 2 cents
>
>
> Glenn McKnight, MA
>
> Virtual School of Internet Governance
>
> Chief Information Officer
>
> www.virtualsig.org
>
> *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 1:23 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thank you Glenn for initiating this discussion, but when we are talking
> about the ALAC Leadership Team, as Holly points out, there is a degree of
> experience, knowledge and expertise, as well as already demonstrated
> leadership, a work ethic and commitment to the values that we uphold within
> At-Large which are important to choosing people from within the ALAC for
> the leadership team role. Availability of time is another major factor as
> well. You only have to look at what Joanna and Jonathan have done over the
> past year to see how much work is involved in their role as Vice Chairs.
> There is geographic representation because there must be a member of each
> region in the team but while there are many who could be selected, we can
> only choose ONE person from each region for this particular group.
>
>
>
> The nominations have been proposed and although there have been no other
> nominations, there will still be a vote taken by the ALAC as its final
> decision.
>
>
>
> The ALT+ group was created as an opportunity for anyone on the ALAC as
> well as RALO leadership teams to demonstrate their knowledge of important
> At-Large issues and their ability to participate and contribute at a
> leadership level. Those who are worthy of candidacy for leadership roles
> often demonstrate and are noted for their participation and contributions
> to discussions that add value to the work of At-Large. This is what people
> remember and are willing to propose their nominations for leadership roles
> based on their experiences of who they believe could do the job of making
> recommendations to the ALAC that will benefit our community.
>
>
>
> My 2c
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 3:50 AM Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Holly
>
> Just trying to tone down the rhetoric  a bit and open the conversation.
> Its not an "Anti-Maureen" perspective but I have seen a history of
> criticism that has seeds of validity. No none is denying experience,
> dedication and performance is key in someone doing the job, just saying we
> have some vocal and many silent membership that have an alternative
> perspective and we need to open the discussion.
>
> A recent experience in NOMCOM had similar polarity of candidates. some new
> vs unproven entities and its interesting to see the arguments for each....
>
>
> Glenn McKnight, MA
>
> Virtual School of Internet Governance
>
> Chief Information Officer
>
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>
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> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 6:37 AM Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>
> And a response to you - it really isn’t so much about ‘youth’ per se. It
> is about new faces who are interested, and willing to put the time and
> effort into the job. So yes, all of the issues you (Glen raise) can be part
> of the discussion. WE also need to consider issues of time,, commitment,
> etc.
>
>
>
> Holly
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2020, at 10:02 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I was thinking of  Abdulkarim's  comments and this resonates with the
> Atlarge review that  'new folks'  and younger generation need to  be
> encouraged into ALAC leadership.  This is  a valid observation but more
> problematic in application.     I need to point that the nomination period
> was open to anyone.  The reality was that  Maureen was the only person that
> stepped up.   Not sure why the community didn't respond and nominate or
> self nominate.  The job is a thankless job with a ton of work and
> responsibility.  It's not like the paid ICANN Board position, its an unpaid
> position ( this is another major issue that is an inherent disincentive to
> younger generation members)
>
> We need to have an intelligent discussion of these issues.   Perhaps  we
> need to provide a set of recommendations for this type of senior
> leadership   on issues such as:
>
> -Regional rotation of positon
>
> -Compensation
>
> -Job shadowing
>
> -etc
>
>
>
> Food fo thought
>
> G
>
> -
>
> Glenn McKnight, MA
>
> Virtual School of Internet Governance
>
> Chief Information Officer
>
> www.virtualsig.org
>
> *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 6:24 AM ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <
> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>
> HI,
>
> I am happy to support these nominations.
>
> However, I think we need to start thinking of a mix with the
> younger generation.
>
> This I think is important as things are changing very fast so is the need
> of the younger generation,
>
> cheers
>
>
>
> AK
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:48 PM Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
> Hi. I would like to nominate the following
>
> Dave Kissoondoyal (AFRALO), Maureen Hilyard (APRALO), Joanna Kulesza
> (EURALO) Carlos Raul Gutierrez (LACRALO) and Jonathan Zuck (NARALO)
>
> I think it will be a very effective team
>
> Marita
>
> On 9/28/2020 2:44 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Maureen Hilyard, ALAC Chair, has requested that a call for nominations be issued for the other four members of the next year's ALAC Leadership Team (ALT) from the four remaining regions:
>
>
>
> - Africa
>
> - Europe
>
> - Latin America and Caribbean Islands
>
> - North America
>
>
>
> Maureen Hilyard, as ALAC Chair, will automatically take the APRALO ALT slot.
>
>
>
> The terms of the 2020-2021 ALT will begin at the end of the 2020 AGM until the end of the 2021 AGM.
>
>
>
> This selection is carried out in accordance with the ALAC Rules of
> Procedure Section 17.3 (RoPs -
> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Rules+of+Procedure?preview=/2262672/111389695/ALAC%20RoP-Revision_4-Approved-24October2018.pdf
> ).
>
>
>
> Nominations may be made by any current ALAC Member. Nominees need not be an ALAC Member at the time of the nominations, but must have an expectation of being an ALAC Member after the completion of the upcoming virtual ICANN69 Meeting.
>
>
>
> Requirements for ALT members can be found in Section 6 of the ALAC RoPs. In short, ALT members are expected to attend all ALAC meetings, typically two ALT or ALT-related meetings per month, and be very responsive and thoughtful to e-mail requests and discussions. By mutual agreement, ALT members may take on additional roles. Vice-Chairs are expected to take on proportionally larger responsibilities. All ALT activities are carried out solely in English.
>
>
>
> *The nomination period is now open and will close on Monday, 5 October 2020  at 23:59 UTC. *
>
>
>
> Nominations need not be seconded.
>
>
>
> *Nominations, other than self-nominations, must be accepted by Monday, 12 October 2020 at 23:59 UTC.*
>
>
>
> Nominations and acceptances should be sent to the ALAC List [alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org]
>
>
>
> Staff will forward all acceptances to [alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org].
>
>
>
> In accordance with ALAC RoP 16.3, following the close of the nominations period and the acceptance or rejection of all nominations, candidates
>
> from regions where the position is not contested will be declared to have won by acclamation.
>
>
>
> If there are multiple candidates from any region, the candidates, in conjunction with the ALAC, will be given the opportunity to resolve the
>
> situation. Failing that, a secret vote of the ALAC will decide the winner.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> At-Large Staff
>
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