[ALAC] [CPWG] [ALT-Plus] PIR and Dot Org

Maureen Hilyard maureen.hilyard at gmail.com
Tue Jan 7 02:00:37 UTC 2020


Totally agree. It's a team effort. Power to the people!!

M

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, 3:13 PM Greg Shatan, <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:

> Maureen and all,
>
> I agree with Roberto, and would perhaps go even further.  The best
> solution would be to have a voting seat on the PIR board, rather than a
> non-voting liaison.  I'm not sure which Roberto was suggesting. To my mind,
> true "representation" comes with a vote..
>
> I also agree with everything Jonathan Zuck said -- about the mission,
> about Malthouse, about that "editorial." Nasty stuff.  An appropriate
> response needs to be considered, but I'm not sure what that might be.  It
> might be a message from someone else in At Large, pointing out that in a
> bottom-up organization, it's not the Chair's job to go flying into battle
> on their own impetus.  Or maybe it can come from a bunch of somebodies....
>
> However, I'm concerned that if ALAC and At-large do not speak for
> themselves, the "record" is going to be the garbage that is being thrown at
> us.
>
> There are more important things than a pissing match in the toilet of
> public opinion.
>
> We have ALAC's "superpower" -- the mandate to provide formal advice to the
> Board.  (Not quite as "super" as GAC advice, but it's what we've got, and
> if it is exercised properly, it will grow in strength, like a muscle.)
>
> Then we can go into toilets with Jacob and Nat....
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
> Greg Shatan
> greg at isoc-ny.org
> President, ISOC-NY
> *"The Internet is for everyone"*
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 2:10 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> indeed - the DotMobi Liaison was on the DotMobi Policy Advisory Board.
>> But IMHO Roberto's suggestion for a Liaison to the PIR Board sounds good.
>> For those interested, DotMobi Liaison Reports can be found on:
>> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/dotMOBI+Liaison+Reports
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> On 06/01/2020 11:24, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>
>> Excellent points Roberto.
>> Your experience on the PIR Board is invaluable in this regard. and your
>> recommendations noted.
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:02 AM Roberto Gaetano <
>> mail.roberto.gaetano at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Maureen.
>>> I have been thinking further about this, and came to the conclusion that
>>> our proposal would be not to have a representative on the Stewardship
>>> Council but on the PIR Board.
>>> Here is the rationale for that.
>>> The Stewardship Council will play the role that was previously of the
>>> Advisory Council. Its purpose was to get multiple voices from different
>>> part of the user community, and in particular the NGOs, ensuring diversity
>>> of opinions. This body was advisory to a Board that had already built-in
>>> the fundamental non-profit, user-community DNA, because it was selected by
>>> ISOC.
>>> With the changed situation, we can safely assume that the new PIR Board
>>> will be selected by Ethos to take care of the interests of the investors,
>>> and there is no guarantee that the public interest is being taken care of.
>>> This will be a good option for Ethos as well, because it would show in a
>>> concrete way the commitment to the public interest beyond mere verbal
>>> expression of intents. On the other hand, Ethos and the investors would
>>> keep a solid majority that will ensure that their interests are protected.
>>> We should remember that while the Advisory Council was surely empowered
>>> to provide advice, and was surely listened to, a Director would have access
>>> to more information and definitively better opportunities to discuss
>>> different ideas and approaches with his/her fellow Directors, therefore
>>> presenting the point of view of the public interest more effectively.
>>> In short, this person wold play a role that is similar to the one that
>>> León plays in ICANN: committed to the fiduciary responsibility to the
>>> corporation but able to be a strong voice to the discussion.
>>> I think that we should not be shy, all in remaining reasonable with our
>>> proposals. I believe that this one is a win-win, bringing the voice of the
>>> user community in PIR and being a good opportunity for Ethos to show a
>>> commitment while still remaining in control of PIR.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>> PS: As I am not subscribed to the different mailing lists, please
>>> forward this if you see fit
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06.01.2020, at 01:40, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_activate_icann_at_large/
>>>
>>> Well that is certainly forcing our hand to take some action. But with
>>> arrows flying in all sorts of directions it has been difficult to know
>>> which one to follow, and I note there has been a break in the conversations
>>> on this topic.
>>>
>>> Interesting and very timely that Roberto raised the .org issue again in
>>> an earlier email today. I started a response until JZ reminded us that the
>>> thread was about .com
>>>
>>> I agree with Roberto's approach  - that we should focus on our role as
>>> the voice of At-Large end-users and offer some creative advice on how we
>>> might influence the behaviour of PIR and any future decisions they make
>>> that will impact on .org end-users. PIR/Ethos already presented a webinar
>>> and said all the right things.. but how can we be assured that they will
>>> stick to what they said that they would do in the future? Who will monitor
>>> this on behalf of ordinary end-users? Who will be represented on the
>>> Stewardship Council?
>>>
>>> At the same time we may also need to advise the ICANN Board about how
>>> they might deal with the ICANN-PIR/Ethos contract - especially Roberto's
>>> recommendation of some commitment from ICANN that ethical behaviour
>>> towards .org end-users will be built into it.
>>>
>>> We are aware that the Board is looking into every legal issue relating
>>> to how they can deal with matters that are being raised by letters that are
>>> flowing their way. We don't need to add more of the same.
>>>
>>> While i think it might be seen to be a simplistic approach, I believe
>>> that we should stick to what our job is and focus on advice to the Board
>>> and to PIR- but lets try to be creative about how we advise them, looking
>>> at the impacts on end-users from all perspectives.
>>>
>>> My 2c
>>> M
>>>
>>>
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