[ALAC] [ALT-Plus] [CPWG] PIR and Dot Org

Mon Jan 6 19:10:00 UTC 2020

Dear all,

indeed - the DotMobi Liaison was on the DotMobi Policy Advisory Board.
But IMHO Roberto's suggestion for a Liaison to the PIR Board sounds good.
For those interested, DotMobi Liaison Reports can be found on:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/dotMOBI+Liaison+Reports

Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 06/01/2020 11:24, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
> Excellent points Roberto.
> Your experience on the PIR Board is invaluable in this regard. and
> your recommendations noted.
>
> Maureen
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:02 AM Roberto Gaetano
> <mail.roberto.gaetano at gmail.com
> <mailto:mail.roberto.gaetano at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Maureen.
>     I have been thinking further about this, and came to the
>     conclusion that our proposal would be not to have a representative
>     on the Stewardship Council but on the PIR Board.
>     Here is the rationale for that.
>     The Stewardship Council will play the role that was previously of
>     the Advisory Council. Its purpose was to get multiple voices from
>     different part of the user community, and in particular the NGOs,
>     ensuring diversity of opinions. This body was advisory to a Board
>     that had already built-in the fundamental non-profit,
>     user-community DNA, because it was selected by ISOC.
>     With the changed situation, we can safely assume that the new PIR
>     Board will be selected by Ethos to take care of the interests of
>     the investors, and there is no guarantee that the public interest
>     is being taken care of.
>     This will be a good option for Ethos as well, because it would
>     show in a concrete way the commitment to the public interest
>     beyond mere verbal expression of intents. On the other hand, Ethos
>     and the investors would keep a solid majority that will ensure
>     that their interests are protected.
>     We should remember that while the Advisory Council was surely
>     empowered to provide advice, and was surely listened to, a
>     Director would have access to more information and definitively
>     better opportunities to discuss different ideas and approaches
>     with his/her fellow Directors, therefore presenting the point of
>     view of the public interest more effectively.
>     In short, this person wold play a role that is similar to the one
>     that León plays in ICANN: committed to the fiduciary
>     responsibility to the corporation but able to be a strong voice to
>     the discussion.
>     I think that we should not be shy, all in remaining reasonable
>     with our proposals. I believe that this one is a win-win, bringing
>     the voice of the user community in PIR and being a good
>     opportunity for Ethos to show a commitment while still remaining
>     in control of PIR.
>     Cheers,
>     Roberto
>
>     PS: As I am not subscribed to the different mailing lists, please
>     forward this if you see fit
>
>
>>     On 06.01.2020, at 01:40, Maureen Hilyard
>>     <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>      http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_activate_icann_at_large/
>>
>>     Well that is certainly forcing our hand to take some action. But
>>     with arrows flying in all sorts of directions it has been
>>     difficult to know which one to follow, and I note there has been
>>     a break in the conversations on this topic.
>>
>>     Interesting and very timely that Roberto raised the .org issue
>>     again in an earlier email today. I started a response until JZ
>>     reminded us that the thread was about .com 
>>
>>     I agree with Roberto's approach  - that we should focus on our
>>     role as the voice of At-Large end-users and offer some creative
>>     advice on how we might influence the behaviour of PIR and any
>>     future decisions they make that will impact on .org end-users.
>>     PIR/Ethos already presented a webinar and said all the right
>>     things.. but how can we be assured that they will stick to what
>>     they said that they would do in the future? Who will monitor this
>>     on behalf of ordinary end-users? Who will be represented on the
>>     Stewardship Council?
>>
>>     At the same time we may also need to advise the ICANN Board about
>>     how they might deal with the ICANN-PIR/Ethos contract -
>>     especially Roberto's recommendation of some commitment from ICANN
>>     that ethical behaviour towards .org end-users will be built into it.
>>
>>     We are aware that the Board is looking into every legal issue
>>     relating to how they can deal with matters that are being raised
>>     by letters that are flowing their way. We don't need to add more
>>     of the same.
>>
>>     While i think it might be seen to be a simplistic approach, I
>>     believe that we should stick to what our job is and focus on
>>     advice to the Board and to PIR- but lets try to be creative about
>>     how we advise them, looking at the impacts on end-users from all
>>     perspectives.
>>
>>     My 2c
>>     M
>>
>>      *
>>
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