[ALAC] [ALAC-Announce] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: ALS Application (307) Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group

Thu Sep 19 17:31:40 UTC 2019

Interesting.. .

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 6:00 AM Eduardo Diaz, <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Another possibility is to keep the RALOs, so the concept of regional views
> is maintained, but make each of its participants individual members and
> remove the concept of unaffiliated.
>
> -ed
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:11 PM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> This is not a result of just our "rules", but is also a core principle
>> from the ICANN Bylaws. I quote:
>>
>> *The criteria and standards for the certification of At-Large Structures
>> shall be established in such a way that participation by individual
>> Internet users who are citizens or residents of countries within the
>> Geographic Region of the RALO will predominate in the operation of each
>> At-Large Structure within the RALO, while not necessarily excluding
>> additional participation, compatible with the interests of the individual
>> Internet users within the region, by others.*
>>
>>
>> I see two ways of "fixing" this. Both would require a Bylaw change
>> (certainly possible).
>>
>> 1. Abolish RALOs and have all ALSes and unaffiliated members be one
>> amorphous mass. This removes the need to identify an ALS with a specific
>> RALO, since there are none.
>>
>> 2. Develop the concept of an ALS which crosses RALOs and thus does not
>> belong to any of them.
>>
>> If indeed we have a potential ALS that will really help At-Large, we
>> don't want to lose them, but I have an aversion for doing things in
>> violation of our own rules and the ICANN Bylaws.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> At 17/09/2019 11:53 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>
>> Hi Olivier
>>
>> Maybe the rules need changing. Just because a group has members  from all
>> over the world, why should we stop them from becoming members of At-Large.
>>
>> The group currently had a leadership team whose members are all resident
>> in the APRALO region. They are one of the few applications that I have seen
>> that actually mentioned the DNS. As an ISOC chapter focusing on rural
>> development, it probably has a majority of members from APRALO if all of
>> its leadership team is from the same region.
>>
>> Since our current rules only note the primary and secondary members of an
>> ALS regardless of who is most active in our work in At-Large, when it comes
>> to who the other members are, no-one really bothers to ask. I would hazard
>> a guess that if we were to do an analysis  (and were to be so picky) we
>> would have several groups that have global  members.
>>
>> *If we get active participants out of this ALS* we should count
>> ourselves lucky. That is the whole point of our ALS recruitment process.
>> And as part of our Review we are finding that many of our processes need
>> updating to keep up with the changing needs of the environments we are
>> having to deal with.
>>
>> EURALO itself has been faced with an anomaly which does not fit the
>> rules, but we have found LACRALO to be very obliging to cater for it. And
>> as we revise our ALS Criteria and Expectations we will have to include a
>> new "rule" that allows for  ALSes to participate in an event on a
>> neighbouring country that "does not belong to the region in which they are
>> situated". BIKLAB is now a precedent which will allow this to happen more
>> within our system as long as there is agreement between the regions
>> concerned.
>>
>> APRALO has many small island countries in the Pacific that have been
>> unable to participate in ICANN activities in their own right under our
>> current rules because they are territories of big power countries (mainly
>> in EURALO) who are given no support from their home region and would have
>> no idea what EURALO was. Pacific countries are an anomaly because as all
>> the 22 countries and territories of the Pacific are members of the Pacific
>> Forum, they are therefore members of PICISOC, so in fact are members of an
>> ALS already -- so we have international participants in our membership,
>> even though they live in the Pacific.
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019, 3:14 PM Olivier MJ CrÃ©pin-Leblond, <ocl at gih.com>
>> wrote:
>> Dear Maureen,
>>
>> I am very surprised to see this having reached the ALAC with a
>> recommendation from APRALO that this should be accepted. This should have
>> been picked up at Due Diligence: Internet Society Special Interest Groups
>> are global as per the explanation on https://www.internetsociety.org/sigs
>> This countervenes ALAC rules which specify that ALSes must be
>> geographical. See tinyurl.com/ALAC-RoP-AdjDoc4-2013-07
>>
>> "2. Be organised so that participation by individual Internet users who
>> are citizens or residents of countries within the Geographic Region in
>> which the ALS is based will predominate in the ALS' operation. The ALS may
>> permit additional participation by others that is compatible with the
>> interests of the individual Internet users within the region."
>>
>> The key words are "be organised" - and as much as I support the work of
>> the Internet Society Rurel Special Interest Group, rural areas are not
>> limited to Asia. Unless there is a commitment that this SIG will restrict
>> the majority of its membership to come from the Asia region. The explicit
>> response of the SIG in due diligence was "this is a global SIG".
>>
>> I also have a concern that it would be possible to create one SIG after
>> another in ISOC and the meaning of ALS no longer applies as you are
>> effectively creating votes.
>>
>> The question of "geographical" was asked on the APRALO mailing list as
>> recently as 11 September 2019 (
>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/apac-discuss/2019-September/004952.html
>> ) but I do not see any response to this.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>> On 18/09/2019 01:58, ICANN At-Large Staff wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> The regional advice from APRALO regarding the ALS Application (307)
>> Internet Society Rural Development Special Interest Group has been received.
>>
>>
>>
>> The following question has been posed to the ALAC:
>>
>>
>>
>> *****
>>
>> Question: Does the ALAC wish to accredit the (307) Internet Society Rural
>> Development Special Interest Group? The regional advice was to accept the
>> application.
>>
>> *****
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that this vote will close on Tuesday, 24 September 2019 23:59
>> UTC.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
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