[ALAC] Bad Actor Admission

[Barrack Otieno]

Spot on Olivier.

Regards

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 12:35 Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> interesting discussion, as usual.
> I think that the problem is not whether the multistakeholder model is
> better or worse than the multilateral model. The problem is that the
> multistakeholder model needs to be balanced. In my view, the ICANN
> multistakeholder model is not balanced - it puts too much power in
> contracted and commercial parties that have DNS-related business and not
> enough in end users and governments - both of which are advisory
> committees. The CCWG Accountability process has reinforced the power of SOs
> at the expense of ACs - since the Board has less power to balance out
> stakeholder points.
> As a result we are at a risk that Thomas Schneider, previous GAC Chair,
> once said in the discussions on CCWG Accountability, which was that from
> time to time, you need to let the GAC have its way otherwise governments
> will find that this is not the location for them to be involved in DNS
> policy. Instead they'll leave and go to the ITU or the UN or elsewhere and
> ICANN will lose its multistakeholder status. When he said that he was
> accused of spreading FUD by contracted parties and NCSG. Oh, the venom that
> poor Thomas collected for saying this... :-)
>
> What happens next is anyone's guess.
>
> Olivier
>
> On 01/03/2019 08:03, Joanna Kulesza wrote:
>
> Hi Evan and all,
>
> thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm wondering if this implies we
> should get rid of ICANN/multistakeholderism? Is there a better alternative
> to governing the global network? If so, what is it? I am well aware that
> governments (some more than others) are just waiting for ICANN to fail and
> are eager to take over where we leave it off. Is that what you're referring
> to? Should we just give up, cos MS is a faulty model in itself? I'm
> genuinely interested.
>
> Thank you,
> Joanna
>
> czw., 28 lut 2019 o 17:34 Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> napisał(a):
>
>> I'm not so sure that I see the controversy, as I generally agree with
>> Ayden's view of ICANN.
>>
>> I was at the first-ever Canadian IGF yesterday, whose keynote was Elliot
>> Noss triumphantly glowing over the power of multistakeholderism to put
>> governments in their place. It was all I could do to break out laughing.
>> The raw sense of entitlement, and the assertion that the "community" that
>> shows up at ICANN meetings is the only one that matters in Internet
>> decision making is ludicrous, and is maintained at high risk.
>>
>> What ICANN calls governance can best be described not as
>> multistakeholderism so much as "the inmates are running the asylum". In a
>> later Canadian IGF session on disinfirmation, the head of policy at
>> Facebook Canada went into the "trust us, we're doing all we can" mantra
>> that many of us have heard so many times. The pattern is unambiguous,
>> whether it's Facebook, Tucows or anyone else in the "community". Left to
>> govern themselves, the Internet is becoming less safe in its content and
>> less safe in its infrastructure.
>>
>> So, again,. please indicate what's so shocking in what Ayden said. I may
>> not share the common view of who the "bad actors" are.
>>
>> - Evan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 09:55, Bastiaan Goslings <
>> bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, John - interesting
>>>
>>> Just to make it a bit easier to see what this is about:
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/ferdeline/status/1101040922995949569
>>>
>>> Which is in response to
>>> https://edri.org/icann-and-gdpr-nowhere-near-compliance/
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Bastiaan
>>>
>>>
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>>> > On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:36, John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I didn't expect Ayden to publicly admit to being a bad actor.
>>> >
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