[ALAC] Fwd: Re: RDS Review

Alan Greenberg alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Mon Jan 9 15:21:42 UTC 2017 

Murray, All you need to do is send a message to 
<gnso-secs at icann.org> saying you would like to be 
a member of the RDS PDP WG. And some or all of 
its sub-groups. The WG Wiki is at 
https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/2017-01-10+Next+Gen+RDS+PDP+Working+Group.

Alan

At 09/01/2017 06:20 AM, Murray McKercher wrote:
>Alan, Holly,
>
>I have been largely absent from At large 
>meetings for a while but do follow the large 
>amounts of communications on a weekly basis.
>
>The topic of Whois is why I attended my first 
>ICANN meeting in 2012 in the first place and 
>despite a few distractions along the way remain interested.
>
>Holly, your comments are concise and reflect a 
>very long history on the topic.
>
>Alan, perhaps I can re-engage with At-Large 
>through volunteering to continue with this 
>delicate and most facinating policy dialogue.
>
>Please consider this an expression of interest 
>to continue to volunteer ‎some time to ICANN.
>
>Best regards,
>Murray McKercher
>Un-affiliated At-large
>
>From: Javier Rua
>Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 05:49
>To: Holly Raiche
>Cc: ALAC; Alan Greenberg
>Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Re: RDS Review
>
>These last few emails are exactly why we need 
>people with institutional memory in At Large and 
>ALAC: so new people,  like I, can at least begin 
>to grasp the deep complexities of some issues 
>and not fall into the pitfalls caused when power is coupled with ignorance.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Javier Rúa-Jovet
>
>+1-787-396-6511
>twitter: @javrua
>skype: javier.rua1
><https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua>https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
>
>
>On Jan 9, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Holly Raiche 
><<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>h.raiche at internode.on.net> wrote:
>
>>And what I didn’t add was WHY this issue is so HUGE.
>>
>>Essentially, the RAA requires that WHOIS 
>>information (as defined - including 
>>registrant’s name, address, contact details 
>>etc - see Clause 3.3.1 in the 2013 RAA)  be 
>>publicly available.  And, as many of you are 
>>aware - that goes absolutely up against data 
>>retention laws in the EU, Canada, and many 
>>other jurisdictions - which means that 
>>registrars are either breaking their contract 
>>with  ICANN or national data retention 
>>laws.  Fadi - and the Board - recognised those 
>>difficulties and established the Expert Working 
>>Group (Carlton, for his sins, was a member) 
>>that came up with proposals to address those 
>>difficulties including a concept of making only 
>>limited information on registrants publicly 
>>available, with gated access to more layers of 
>>information, depending on the status of the 
>>requestor. And the Board has approved of the 
>>RDS WG to work - within its charter - through 
>>EWG proposals.  So, in that way too truncated 
>>recitation of the outline of the issues, the 
>>RDS WG that ALan, Carlton and I are members of, 
>>are working through what we do about that 
>>fundamental contradiction between basic data 
>>retention law and ICANN’s RAA.  And trust me, 
>>there are many interest groups that have had 
>>access to that publicly available personal 
>>information and are not happy at the prospect of losing that access.
>>
>>End result - we are YEARS away from a final 
>>policy on who has what access to what level of 
>>registrant personal information. Which is why i 
>>cringe at the thought of yet another RDS WG - 
>>without a final, agreed policy framework on access to registrant data.
>>
>>And yes, that is only one of the issues raised by Whois.
>>
>>and what Carlton, Alan and I should be doing is 
>>bringing you all in to participate in this 
>>issue - I promise you, there is plenty of 
>>policy work for years to come - and I”d love company.
>>BUT PLEASE, not yet another review
>>
>>Holly
>>
>>On 9 Jan 2017, at 1:07 pm, Alan Greenberg 
>><<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>I am attaching a document from the GNSO on the 
>>>proposed RDS (formerly WHOIS) Review to be started very soon.
>>>
>>>You will recall that we previously had 
>>>approved a narrowing of the scope of the RDS 
>>>Review to focus just on the extent to which 
>>>the previous WHOIS Review Recommendations had 
>>>been implemented. This GNSO proposal widens 
>>>the scope considerably. Although there is no 
>>>question that the wider scope is interesting 
>>>and ptentially useful, it will also require 
>>>far more community involvement that the earlier proposal.
>>>
>>>The call for volunteers was to close on 13 
>>>January and a decision needs to be made 
>>>quickly on exactly what the Review should be.
>>>
>>>Comments please, with some urgency.
>>>
>>>Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "James M. Bladel" <<mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>jbladel at godaddy.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: RDS Review
>>>>Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 17:42:53 +0000
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Karen and Community Leaders –
>>>>
>>>>The GNSO Council, working with its component 
>>>>Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies, has 
>>>>produced this document (attached), which 
>>>>outlines our feedback and concerns with the 
>>>>proposed “limited scope” for the 
>>>>upcoming RDS review.  The document was 
>>>>submitted to ICANN Staff, and sharing with this team for your reference.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you,
>>>>
>>>>J.
>>>>----------------
>>>>James Bladel
>>>>GNSO Chair
>>><GNSO Council feedback on 
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