[ALAC] At-Large: Part of the Private Sector? Part of Civil Society?

Carlton Samuels carlton.samuels at gmail.com
Wed Sep 2 18:56:25 UTC 2015

+1. I share Wolf's concerns, his sensibilities and his proposals.


Carlton A Samuels
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net>

> Dear Alan and all,
> that's a very valid point you raised below -- what BTW created some
> headaches during and after our recent briefing calls to me.
> To me, the term and definition of Private Sector is too general and broad
> (anything besides government). And personally, I do not feel addressed and
> comfortable being subsumed under this term and category. For many people, I
> guess, it smells more like private enterprises and business sector.
> When we usually and repetitious talk about "multi-"stakeholder approach
> and setup, there should be a bit more than just the Private Sector besides
> governments. And imprecise and generalizing terms may easily provoke
> misunderstandings, as we know.
> Consequently, when we always and fundamentally refer to the
> *multi-stakeholder model* at ICANN, we should reflect and list its
> diversity (at least like the IGF does) -- or add / include the "Voluntary
> Sector" what comprises individuals as well IMO.
> My personal preference is still the term Civil Society according to the
> definitions by Wikipedia or the World Bank (you referred to) what is rather
> concise. On the other hand, I have (more and more) difficulties with our
> usual term "Users" what can be misleading again -- as I know from various
> discussions and remarks -- because generally, people working in / for
> governments and business employees are Internet users as well. For real
> outsiders (my neighborhood or the "man in the street") our term and
> definition of the "User" is not easily comprehensible.
> Just my 2 cents with
> regards,
> Wolf
>  Alan Greenberg wrote Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:58:
> >These two questions seem to be coming up regularly. The current draft
> >proposal of the CCWG-Accountability refers to ICANN being leg by the
> >"Private Sector (as opposed to the Public Sector - Governments), and
> >includes us in the Civil society part of the private sector.
> >
> >Looking at definitions can be useful. There are many of both terms.
> >
> >The most common definition of the Private Sector says it is
> >everything that is not funded or controlled by government. Many
> >definitions even explicitly list individuals as part of it. That
> >certainly includes us.
> >
> >Some definitions talk about three groups, the public sector, the
> >private sector (referring to for-profit organizations) and the
> >"Voluntary Sector". The latter certainly includes the formal parts of
> >At-Large, but really leaves individuals, who are no longer part of
> >ANY of the sectors.
> >
> > From my perspective, that means that if we are part of the "Private
> >Sector", we better be explicitly listed as such.
> >
> >I would appreciate hearing how these terms are defined in other
> >languages and cultures.
> >
> >
> >The Wikipedia defines Civil Society as "aggregate of non-governmental
> >organizations and institutions that manifest interests and will of
> >citizens." Civil society includes the family and the private sphere,
> >referred to as the "third sector" of society, distinct from
> >government and business.
> >
> >The World Bank has a more detailed definition: the term civil society
> >to refer to the wide array of non-governmental and not-for-profit
> >organizations that have a presence in public life, expressing the
> >interests and values of their members or others, based on ethical,
> >cultural, political, scientific, religious or philanthropic
> >considerations. Civil Society Organizations (CSOs) therefore refer to
> >a wide of array of organizations: community groups, non-governmental
> >organizations (NGOs), labor unions, indigenous groups, charitable
> >organizations, faith-based organizations, professional associations,
> >and foundations".
> >
> >In both definitions, Civil Society is listed as essentially being
> >defines as groups of one form or another. By those definitions,
> >At-large and our components parts are certainly civil society, but
> >the individuals whose interests we defend are not part of civil society
> per se.
> >
> >
> >Thoughts?
> >
> >Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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