[ALAC] CONSENSUS CALL: Reconstitution of CROPP Review Team

Wolf Ludwig wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net
Fri Mar 6 17:11:51 UTC 2015


Plus 1 on Olivier's and Alan's reasoning.

Best, Wolf


Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:05:
>Dear Ali,
>
>there are many working groups in At-Large that are open for everyone to
>join. Of these, a very small subset (4 out of 20) have participation
>where RALOs and the ALAC appoint members and the reason for this is that
>these need to perform specific tasks that require specific knowledge
>(both skills and historical) to take part, often under very tight
>timeline considerations. These are not a compatible environment where
>learning takes place.
>
>The Outreach and Engagement sub-committee is an open group so that's
>probably where someone can start if they wish to be involved more in
>At-Large activities. https://community.icann.org/x/cqfbAQ
>
>For more information about all working groups, please consult:
>https://community.icann.org/x/loIi
>
>Kindest regards,
>
>Olivier
>
>On 06/03/2015 11:51, Ali AlMeshal wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Olivier,
>>   While it make sense in one side "as you explained" , but on the
>> other side you are limiting the participation of new members as well
>> as you are giving more opportunity to the existing members of the FBSC
>> and Outreach (in this example). In my personal view I can see this
>> approach and concept is leading to "CLOSE Loop participation", which
>> it should not be the case.
>>
>> Ali
>>
>> On 6 Mar 2015 11:53, "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl at gih.com
>> <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     That makes sense.
>>
>>     A quick reminder why the people on the CROPP need to be either
>>     from the
>>     Finance & Budget Sub-committee or from the Outreach & Engagement
>>     Sub-committee:
>>
>>     - FBSC: because the FBSC is tasked with drafting financial
>>     requests from
>>     the ALAC and also engaging in all matters related to ICANN's financial
>>     plan, strategic plan, operational plan. Knowledge of these matters is
>>     mandatory when approving/amending CROPP requests especially when it
>>     comes approving requests in-line with ICANN's strategy.
>>     - Outreach & Engagement: because CROPP stands for Community Regional
>>     Outreach Pilot Program - it is a program for *Outreach* so it makes
>>     sense that the Outreach & Engagement WG is directly involved.
>>
>>     It would not make any sense that someone not a member of these
>>     sub-committees be a CROPP Review Team.
>>
>>     Kind regards,
>>
>>     Olivier
>>
>>
>>     On 06/03/2015 09:07, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:
>>     > I believe I argued that any "picks / suggestions"  from a RALO
>>     should be
>>     > actual effective contributors to their roles in FBSC or Outreach
>>     SC and so
>>     > is in total keeping with the new outline distributed by Alan,
>>     and not the
>>     > thought that Judith attributed to me... (Unless I was perhaps in
>>     a fugue
>>     > state ;-)
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > *Cheryl Langdon-O**rr ...  *(CLO)
>>     >
>>     > about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr>
>>     > [image: Cheryl Langdon-Orr on about.me <http://about.me>]
>>     >   <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr>
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On 6 March 2015 at 17:56, Ali AlMeshal <dralialmeshal at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:dralialmeshal at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> I am not aware of the reason behind this change but if this is
>>     something
>>     >> that has been discussed and agreed on initially in Singapore, 
>>     then I would
>>     >> support the thought of Cheryl as mentioned by Judith.
>>     >> Ali
>>     >> On 6 Mar 2015 04:37, "Judith Hellerstein"
>>     <judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >>> Hi Allan,
>>     >>>
>>     >>> I thought that Cheryl had added another verse to the rules
>>     stating that
>>     >>> the RALOs could appoint anyone to serve as the CROPP RT person
>>     and this
>>     >>> person does not have to be in the fsbc or in the outreach team
>>     >>>
>>     >>> Cheers,
>>     >>> Judith
>>     >>>
>>     >>> Sent from my iPad
>>     >>> Judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:Judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>     >>> Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>     >>>
>>     >>>> On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Alan Greenberg
>>     <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>>
>>     >>> wrote:
>>     >>>> The main difference is that there are people on the current
>>     CROPP RT
>>     >> who
>>     >>> may not be on the current FBSC or the new Outreach &
>>     Engagement SC. Or
>>     >> may
>>     >>> be on, but not the preferred one to be chosen. Also the
>>     selection process
>>     >>> is somewhat different.
>>     >>>> Alan
>>     >>>> --
>>     >>>> Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>>> On March 5, 2015 5:25:32 PM EST, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <
>>     >> ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>>
>>     >>> wrote:
>>     >>>>> Dear Alan,
>>     >>>>>
>>     >>>>> thanks for this. Could you please explain what is the
>>     difference with
>>     >>>>> the current CROPP Review Team that is currently functioning
>>     and is
>>     >>>>> being
>>     >>>>> led by Dev Anand Teelucksingh?
>>     >>>>> Kindest regards,
>>     >>>>>
>>     >>>>> Olivier
>>     >>>>>
>>     >>>>>> On 05/03/2015 17:48, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>     >>>>>> The CROPP Review Team is currently composed of two people
>>     per Region,
>>     >>>>>> one from the FBSC and one from the Outreach Subcommittee.
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> Based on deliberations of the ALAC in Singapore, the
>>     recommendation
>>     >>>>> is
>>     >>>>>> that:
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> - CROPP RT for the FY16 will consist of ten people, two per
>>     region.
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> - One person from each region, representing the FBSC, from
>>     among FBSC
>>     >>>>>> regional Members and Participants, will be selected by the FBSC
>>     >>>>>> Members and Chair. This selection must be ratified by regional
>>     >>>>>> leadership.
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> - One person from each region, representing the Outreach and
>>     >>>>>> Engagement SC, from among the Members or Participants of
>>     the Outreach
>>     >>>>>> and Engagement SC, will be selected by regional leadership.
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> With this message, I am requesting a CONSENSUS CALL of the
>>     ALAC to
>>     >>>>>> approve the above CROPP Review Team composition. If you
>>     oppose this,
>>     >>>>>> please let your feelings be known no later than 12 March 2015.
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> For clarity, in a CONSENSUS CALL, you may choose to
>>     explicitly voice
>>     >>>>>> your support, but silence will be taken as agreement.
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> Alan
>>     >>>>>>
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>>     Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
>>     http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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