[ALAC] At-Large mailing list activity reports

Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond ocl at gih.com
Mon Jan 26 06:32:49 UTC 2015


+1. I find them actually helpful and low traffic.

Olivier

On 26/01/2015 06:49, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
> I too agree that these stats do no harm in my view. 
>
> León
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
>> El 25/01/2015, a las 22:42, Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero at gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>> +1 Holly.
>>
>> Fatima
>>
>> 2015-01-26 1:40 GMT-03:00 Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>:
>>
>>> I personally have no difficulty with having these statistics generated.
>>>
>>> Holly
>>> On 26 Jan 2015, at 3:23 pm, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jean-Jacques Subrenat has raised the issue of the At-Large mailing list
>>> reports generated weekly by Thomas Narten. An example is follows:
>>>>   Messages   |      Bytes        | Who
>>>> --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------
>>>> 28.57% |    4 | 37.14% |    56728 | jjs at dyalog.net
>>>> 21.43% |    3 | 22.75% |    34743 | jefsey at jefsey.com
>>>> 14.29% |    2 | 10.51% |    16050 | salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at
>>> gmail.com
>>>> 7.14% |    1 | 11.72% |    17899 | mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>> 7.14% |    1 |  5.16% |     7874 | hilyard at oyster.net.ck
>>>> 7.14% |    1 |  5.06% |     7731 | alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>>>> 7.14% |    1 |  5.03% |     7687 | narten at us.ibm.com
>>>> 7.14% |    1 |  2.63% |     4015 | at-large-bounces at
>>> atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>> --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------
>>>> 100.00% |   14 |100.00% |   152727 | Total
>>>>
>>>> I understand that Thomas produces similar reports for a number of other
>>> mailing lists including the main ietf list (
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg91110.html).
>>>> Jean-Jacques' questions along with my answers follow:
>>>>
>>>> - Was there a decision to task any particular individual/firm with
>>> carrying out this statistical/nominative tracking? Was this decision taken
>>> in ALAC or elsewhere (date, reference)?
>>>> AG: The tallies were requested by the ALAC Chair. The message
>>> documenting this is part of our e-mail archive that is missing, but a copy
>>> of the message is attached.
>>>> - Was this submitted to regular review and approval, or is there a
>>> separate decision to grant this as a permanent authorization (date,
>>> reference)?
>>>> AG: Soon after the statistics started, they were questioned with the
>>> perception that it violated peoples privacy. It was pointed out that the
>>> statistics were generated based on a public archive (which is also indexed
>>> by Google). I am not aware of any further concerns raised in the ensuing
>>> seven years.
>>>> - If this is being used as a metrics tool, what is its qualitative
>>> relevance? Has it been effectively used to "measure" the value of this or
>>> that member, say in ALAC? How were the criteria determined, and by whom
>>> (date, reference)?
>>>> AG: I believe that the original request was made because of a person
>>> regarded as a troll who was posting large numbers of messages. The
>>> summaries have proven useful from time to time and all e-mail programs have
>>> the ability to filter them out for those who do not wish to see them.
>>>> QUESTION TO THE ALAC: I see no harm in continuing to have these
>>> statistics generated, and in fact, the Metrics WG has discussed doing
>>> something similar for other lists as well. Are there any ALAC who feel that
>>> we need to either curtail this practice or discuss it further?
>>>> Alan
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