[ALAC] At-Large mailing list activity reports

León Felipe Sánchez Ambía leonfelipe at sanchez.mx
Mon Jan 26 05:49:32 UTC 2015


I too agree that these stats do no harm in my view. 

León

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> El 25/01/2015, a las 22:42, Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero at gmail.com> escribió:
> 
> +1 Holly.
> 
> Fatima
> 
> 2015-01-26 1:40 GMT-03:00 Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>:
> 
>> I personally have no difficulty with having these statistics generated.
>> 
>> Holly
>> On 26 Jan 2015, at 3:23 pm, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jean-Jacques Subrenat has raised the issue of the At-Large mailing list
>> reports generated weekly by Thomas Narten. An example is follows:
>>> 
>>>   Messages   |      Bytes        | Who
>>> --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------
>>> 28.57% |    4 | 37.14% |    56728 | jjs at dyalog.net
>>> 21.43% |    3 | 22.75% |    34743 | jefsey at jefsey.com
>>> 14.29% |    2 | 10.51% |    16050 | salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at
>> gmail.com
>>> 7.14% |    1 | 11.72% |    17899 | mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>> 7.14% |    1 |  5.16% |     7874 | hilyard at oyster.net.ck
>>> 7.14% |    1 |  5.06% |     7731 | alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>>> 7.14% |    1 |  5.03% |     7687 | narten at us.ibm.com
>>> 7.14% |    1 |  2.63% |     4015 | at-large-bounces at
>> atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> --------+------+--------+----------+------------------------
>>> 100.00% |   14 |100.00% |   152727 | Total
>>> 
>>> I understand that Thomas produces similar reports for a number of other
>> mailing lists including the main ietf list (
>> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg91110.html).
>>> 
>>> Jean-Jacques' questions along with my answers follow:
>>> 
>>> - Was there a decision to task any particular individual/firm with
>> carrying out this statistical/nominative tracking? Was this decision taken
>> in ALAC or elsewhere (date, reference)?
>>> 
>>> AG: The tallies were requested by the ALAC Chair. The message
>> documenting this is part of our e-mail archive that is missing, but a copy
>> of the message is attached.
>>> 
>>> - Was this submitted to regular review and approval, or is there a
>> separate decision to grant this as a permanent authorization (date,
>> reference)?
>>> 
>>> AG: Soon after the statistics started, they were questioned with the
>> perception that it violated peoples privacy. It was pointed out that the
>> statistics were generated based on a public archive (which is also indexed
>> by Google). I am not aware of any further concerns raised in the ensuing
>> seven years.
>>> 
>>> - If this is being used as a metrics tool, what is its qualitative
>> relevance? Has it been effectively used to "measure" the value of this or
>> that member, say in ALAC? How were the criteria determined, and by whom
>> (date, reference)?
>>> 
>>> AG: I believe that the original request was made because of a person
>> regarded as a troll who was posting large numbers of messages. The
>> summaries have proven useful from time to time and all e-mail programs have
>> the ability to filter them out for those who do not wish to see them.
>>> 
>>> QUESTION TO THE ALAC: I see no harm in continuing to have these
>> statistics generated, and in fact, the Metrics WG has discussed doing
>> something similar for other lists as well. Are there any ALAC who feel that
>> we need to either curtail this practice or discuss it further?
>>> 
>>> Alan
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